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HitokiriShadow
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I'm not arguing that point and I don't disagree with it. They still should be allowed to compete. Or at least be told upfront about the situation and treated with something resembling honesty and dignity. If they were just "too ugly" or it was an issue like that, they should have just been told that the company didn't want them or come up with some reason it just wouldn't work rather than mislead them and then disqualify them after they've traveled 5000 miles only to be abandoned. If it was an issue of looks, they could just be judged unfit early on and that would be the end of it.
Obviously. That doesn't mean we can't criticize them or call them on their bias/unfairness/whatever.
No one is obsessing over RoV. It just happens to be an important part of the situation. |
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cosplay_fan
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Interesting discussion everyone. Except for mlund's spastic flame on page 3.
Thanks for the intelligent conversation....Marty. 
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mlund
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Please. Ignoring the evidence on hand and trying to hide behind a distaste for the judgmental tone of the conclusion drawn is the last refuge of the damned. When a business or organization acts like TV Aichi did they get judged for it, and rightly so. - Marty Lund |
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sandra monte
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Rose of Versailles is one of best manga/anime ever made. It´s a shame that any American publishing company has interest for the title....
Sandra Monte |
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cosplay_fan
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AKA flaming No one is ignoring any evidence here, what little there is. Lets try to discuss like adults however. |
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starcade
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I think it's another piece of evidence that the Japanese may not be as crazy as we might hope on American fan-dom.
-- Fan-subs -- American subbing changing the meaning -- Cos-play, in all its American forms -- etc. |
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ENJN
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"The Japanese"? It's just a bunch of jerks at a television studio. "They" are certainly not doing it because they hate fansubs or "American subbing changing the meaning." I don't think anyone, Japanese companies or fans, care about the latter, and I'm pretty sure both are indifferent to "Cosplay in its American form." |
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FuuH
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Rose of Versailles is incredible... I wish someone would pick it up :( and I saw the girls cosplay...they were absolutely stunning! I think the details of the costumes alone are worthy... |
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pearlslam
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QUIET!!!
Thank you. There is several facts that everybody is missing here. Let me re-literate: 1. The US team got disqualified last year for "cosplaying from a series from a creator who doesn't like cosplaying". 2. The Italian team got disqualified THIS year for "cosplaying from a series from a creator who doesn't like cosplaying". 3. The Japanese team WON second prize THIS year "cosplaying from a series from a creator who doesn't like cosplaying." 4. The US team was screwed out of their ride to the airport. This brings up two issues: 1: If they are going to disqualify people (you get the drill), Why didn't they state IN THE RULES what series you can or can't cosplay for? I'm a fan fiction writer, and as such, I am required to know about fanfiction.net. Fanfiction.net respects the rights of several authors by not archiving their work. To drive home the point, writers must agree to the guidelines every 7 days. The vagueness of the rules DOES bring into question the legitmacy of WCS. And finally, 2: If you are going to rig a contest, you DON'T give the guy that uses something that got others disqualified first place. That will bring up doubts about the legitmacy of the other disqualification(s), and it also brings into question the legitmacy of the contest itself. It is safe to say, however, that the contest is ruined by the orgainizer's desire for ratings and all that profits. With that being said, most everybody is right. All this is is a glorified reality show that doesn't give a **** about people who use their natural talents of building costumes as tributes for their favorate anime. |
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starcade
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I reiterate my earlier position that I do believe there is significant, though not really stated discontent with how Americans handle cosplaying and the entirety of what they do with anime culture.
Really, the only other plausible explanation for the fact that the US team from '05 got DQ'ed for cosplaying from a disallowed show (essentially) and the Japanese team winning 2nd for the same show in '06 is racism. I mean, if the Japanese view cosplay as a "beauty" situation, what do you think they think of many of the cross-players, especially the likes of the freak Man-Faye????? No, it's not a legitimate contest at all, given their rigging of the thing (which wouldn't make it much different than most televised American shows), but if the WCS wants to have this stand, just DQ Americans from competing in it at all! |
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pearlslam
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On an somewhat unrelated subject, all of the big japanese game developers have complained about E3(and ironically ignoring the TGS), and have now managed to get the plug pulled on the show as we know it. I have compaired the attitude that the game developers have taken with that anime studios have been taken for years, seeing the american market as an extra way to milk money out of old franchises(or in the developer's case games), and have not embraced the american market as a true market. That attitude needs to change for the anime studios if they REALLY want to succeed. The WCS? Like I've stated earlier, it is nothing more than a glorified reality show. If they won't appriecate the talent and the work that everybody put into their cosplays, then no one needs to enter in it. |
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bluepita
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From what I read, it wasn't the USA team competing in the WCS that was disqualifed. It was the team that was competing here in America to qualify for the WCS. Apparently, they were a group who should have won here but didn't (the now legendary RoV group). If I remember correctly, the group that won was assembled by the judges from TV Aichi (could be wrong about that). That group was the one who claim mistreatment in Japan. Two different teams that year had a problem.
The reason I bring this up is because a lot of the post seemed to be merging the two groups. I have issues with needing things to be correct... |
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thebaron
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And that is when if I was controlling the event would close down the event and escort them to the exit of the building and bid them goodbye! After consulting with the con chair and lawyer....
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OneHotAlchemist
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Apparently, its thre reason there was to US representation this year. Notta con wanted them to have a competition, since its more of a beauty contest involving costumes than it is any sort of cosplay contest. I think it comes-down to a bit of a culture-gap between the US and Japan. In Japan, cosplay isn't so much about crafting your own costume as how good you look in it.(I've heard stories of people being asked to leave cons because they did not look "appealing" enough in cosplay). Case-in point, a lot of the best costumes in Japan are commissioned, and the girls that wear them tend to be a bit more like models. (although by-no-means is this true of everyone) In the US, there's a greater emphasis on craftsmanship and construction than there is on aesthetics of the person wearing it. The US tends to look-down upon a cosplay contest that is basically a beauty pageant with anime costumes. |
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starcade
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If it's a beauty contest, then just have all the girls dress up as the Rikku thief dressphere from Final Fantasy X-2 (yellow bikini and NOT much more...) and go from there.
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