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NEWS: Toei Animation Breaks Down 2011 Earnings by Franchise

Figures someone with a Luffy Avatar would say that. Heh. It's just as standard as cardboard cut out as other shounen, only you like it so you can't really see it's faults. It copies so much from Dragonball and does so many 'safe' shounen tropes that to deny that would be just blind fanboyism.

The bulk of the series is "Luffy arrives on island, Luffy beats bad guy on that island, Luffy sails away to the next island" It's not until around before the time skip it really changes up the formula, and even then it's a very repetitive series, but I guess that's the formula that's popular in Japan. .

I've really hated 'idiot' shounen protagonists who only like to fight like Luffy and Goku, but they always seem to be the most popular ones in Japan.

Like he said. One Piece is a SHONEN. He never did deny that. It has all the traits of a shonen. Which means it has all the things that make a shonen good and enjoyable BUT and this is the main point, nearly none of the things that makes you puke like training arcs, ssy, transformation power ups etc.

Plus many other things but especially the really good story telling puts it way above your “average” shonen and makes it pretty much the perfection of that genre or as close as you can get. In overall quality only second to FMA in the battle shonen category.

Actually the lack of training is a big problem with it; the characters pull new powers out of their butt with little to no explanation (like.. Gears, as mentioned) and can fight stronger opponents with little to no training (all we really see is Zoro lifting weights sometimes)

Sometimes I wonder if OP fans overblow the series to rediculous hyperbole ranks in some kind of retaliation/justification of their liking it since it's nowhere near as big as Naruto or any similar shounen outside of Japan.

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Like he said. One Piece is a SHONEN. He never did deny that. It has all the traits of a shonen. Which means it has all the things that make a shonen good and enjoyable BUT and this is the main point, nearly none of the things that makes you puke like training arcs, ssy, transformation power ups etc.

See, this sounds more like "opinion = face", when you say those things are inherently bad and no on likes them (Though, uh, Gears? I'd say that counts as a transformation)

Actually the lack of training is a big problem with it; the characters pull new powers out of their butt with little to no explanation (like.. Gears, as mentioned) and can fight stronger opponents with little to no training (all we really see is Zoro lifting weights sometimes) I like how you can see, say, Naruto training a lot to master the Rasengan, or his Wild Chakra, the Kyuubi, and etc. It's a nice set up and great to see characters grow. I prefer logical steps compared to 'it's a shounen, don't take it seriously' which is why I prefer other series over it, I suppose. One Piece is incredibly casual and laid back, and often relies on it's comedy and lack of seriousness to handwave these things like logical fights and story direction away (the only reason Nami wins any of her fights, especially her original one against Doublefinger who should have killed her in 5 seconds if the OP characters didn't have plot armor to the ridiculous degree). That's why I'd rather read just about any other shounen series than it because I know they'll at least actually try.

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Plus many other things but especially the really good story telling puts it way above your “average” shonen and makes it pretty much the perfection of that genre or as close as you can get. In overall quality only second to FMA in the battle shonen category.

Sometimes I wonder if OP fans overblow the series to rediculous hyperbole ranks in some kind of retaliation/justification of their liking it since it's nowhere near as big as Naruto or any similar shounen outside of Japan. I don't get why people have to put down other series to make their own seem better... it seems more like insecurity than anything else. Can't people like both?

and while off-camera he developed it.

You mean big like 10% of a market the size of say 100k people? Or do you mean big as in no real numbers just word of mouth and hearsay?

When a paragraph above you're comparing One Piece negatively to Naruto. Kettle, Pot, Black.

That's pretty much the definition of 'out of nowhere'.

Uh, more like those New York Times Book rankings reports ANN does weekly. It's pretty common knowledge the other shounen are bigger than OP is outside Japan.

See, this sounds more like "opinion = face", when you say those things are inherently bad and no on likes them (Though, uh, Gears? I'd say that counts as a transformation)

Actually the lack of training is a big problem with it; the characters pull new powers out of their butt with little to no explanation (like.. Gears, as mentioned) and can fight stronger opponents with little to no training (all we really see is Zoro lifting weights sometimes) I like how you can see, say, Naruto training a lot to master the Rasengan, or his Wild Chakra, the Kyuubi, and etc. It's a nice set up and great to see characters grow. I prefer logical steps compared to 'it's a shounen, don't take it seriously' which is why I prefer other series over it, I suppose. One Piece is incredibly casual and laid back, and often relies on it's comedy and lack of seriousness to handwave these things like logical fights and story direction away (the only reason Nami wins any of her fights, especially her original one against Doublefinger who should have killed her in 5 seconds if the OP characters didn't have plot armor to the ridiculous degree). That's why I'd rather read just about any other shounen series than it because I know they'll at least actually try.

Sometimes I wonder if OP fans overblow the series to rediculous hyperbole ranks in some kind of retaliation/justification of their liking it since it's nowhere near as big as Naruto or any similar shounen outside of Japan. I don't get why people have to put down other series to make their own seem better... it seems more like insecurity than anything else. Can't people like both?

You're entitled to your opinion and all that jazz, but One Piece is hardly even boring.
You probably didn't stick around long enough to see any of the better arcs, or weren't more open-minded.

See, this sounds more like "opinion = face", when you say those things are inherently bad and no on likes them (Though, uh, Gears? I'd say that counts as a transformation)

Actually the lack of training is a big problem with it; the characters pull new powers out of their butt with little to no explanation (like.. Gears, as mentioned) and can fight stronger opponents with little to no training (all we really see is Zoro lifting weights sometimes)

Sometimes I wonder if OP fans overblow the series to rediculous hyperbole ranks in some kind of retaliation/justification of their liking it since it's nowhere near as big as Naruto or any similar shounen outside of Japan. I don't get why people have to put down other series to make their own seem better... it seems more like insecurity than anything else. Can't people like both?

I'm far from anti-shounen or anything, I like Bleach, Dragonball Z, even Naruto was fun for a long time. But something about One Piece always seemed off to me. I don't really like the character designs or the animation style or the completely nonsensical names and attacks and villains, I don't know. It was just dull and I could never get into it. But hey it apparently has a crapton of fans so more power to them, everyone likes different stuff.