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UtenaAnthy



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am Reply with quote
mike.motaku wrote:
I had a cat like that. It would lay cutely close to and seem to snuggle with the bunny. What this picture is missing is that, at least in my cat's case, the bunny was usually missing, well, major bunny parts from about the ribcage down. Or twitching itself to a slow death after it's neck had been broken. Once we found only the bunny's face. But the cat was cuddling up to it ever so sweetly. I'd send pictures but we were too busy vomiting to focus.


I'm really sorry about that, but some cats are, apparently, safe with bunnies, like the one in that picture.
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Big Hed



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:26 am Reply with quote
Well, I can't wait for this big announcement Zac Smile. Anything good for ANN is good by me.

As for next weeks's question, while I don't doubt I'm going to enjoy reading people lambast upon some of my favorite series (Gurren Lagann, FMA, NGE, Code Geass, Cowboy Bebop, Death Note), it would be really cool to see somebody level criticism at a show like, say, Flag (another favorite of mine). Of course the reason I suspect Zac won't be getting a ton of emails on non-mainstream titles is because the use of the term 'overrated' tends to imply a large fanbase. Anyway, we'll see how it goes.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:52 am Reply with quote
SalarymanJoe wrote:
Zac wrote:
(live-action Fist of the North Star, anyone?)


Oh, you sick sunnava.... Why? This movie is oh so ho-ho-horrible. It's probably best left unspoken further.
But that's why it's so good, because it's so bad. It's become a camp favourite, like Rocky Horror Picture Show. Laughing

I haven't seen any Card Captures to say it's that bad but I'll throw in Toonami's version of Tenchi Muyo OVA in the pot as well. but my all time favourite worst dub is still "Strange Dawn". Every accent in the English speaking world, which didn't match the characters. Lip sync like an old English dubbed Chinese Kung-Fu movie. and large amounts of episodes chopped out to where it made no sense at all, then just stopped.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:02 pm Reply with quote
For worst dub ever, what about the Ghost in the Shell movie? I can't remember what particularly made it so bad since I only saw it one time 5 years ago, but it was unbearable. We eventually had to switch over to subtitles to keep watching, and when we did, it seemed like the dialouge wasn't even on the same subject in that scene.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:04 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:

Let's be honest, though. Americans(Westerners) also have a different cultural mindset for crime shows from the Japanese. We go for Dirty Harry/Lethal Weapon/Die Hard/24-style law enforcement, while the Japanese go for detective stories. That doesn't mean our psycho cop cliches do horribly in Japan, though. [Hell, Satoshi Kon recently talked about "Live Free or Die Hard", "Shoot-em-up", and "Revolver" in some of his blog entries.] But they clearly have the patience to sit through mysteries, while we'll only watch those things if the emphasis is on the severity of the killings, and not on the detective-work. [See Se7en.]


Well if this is true, why are shows like CSI, Without a Trace and, Law and Order so popular? Because honestly they don't fall under a lot of what you just described.

In any case, yet another fun column to read and I can't wait to find out what the big announcement is.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:16 pm Reply with quote
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That being said, I would likely nominate one of the barrage of popular moe trashfests, like Clannad or Kanon. Or Rumbling Hearts, which is a 2D melodrama based on a porn game. It's as though nobody even cares about plot or originality any longer.


Yay! Good job!! I absolutely agree.
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UtenaAnthy



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:49 pm Reply with quote
CatoriStar wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
That being said, I would likely nominate one of the barrage of popular moe trashfests, like Clannad or Kanon. Or Rumbling Hearts, which is a 2D melodrama based on a porn game. It's as though nobody even cares about plot or originality any longer.


Yay! Good job!! I absolutely agree.


I actually like what I've seen of Air (one episode), but didn't enjoy the first episodes of Clannad and Kanon (does that make anyone else think of cannons and canon?) I haven't seen Rumbling Hearts. So I sort of agree with you.
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Veoryn87



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:53 pm Reply with quote
Dorcas_Aurelia wrote:
For worst dub ever, what about the Ghost in the Shell movie? I can't remember what particularly made it so bad since I only saw it one time 5 years ago, but it was unbearable. We eventually had to switch over to subtitles to keep watching, and when we did, it seemed like the dialouge wasn't even on the same subject in that scene.


It certainly wasn't the worst, but I will agree that it is bad. The actors sounded too much like they were reading from a script when they're suppose to be sounding natural. I always wished they would redub it with the series actors, but that probably won't happen.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:03 pm Reply with quote
Veoryn87 wrote:
Dorcas_Aurelia wrote:
For worst dub ever, what about the Ghost in the Shell movie? I can't remember what particularly made it so bad since I only saw it one time 5 years ago, but it was unbearable. We eventually had to switch over to subtitles to keep watching, and when we did, it seemed like the dialouge wasn't even on the same subject in that scene.


It certainly wasn't the worst, but I will agree that it is bad. The actors sounded too much like they were reading from a script when they're suppose to be sounding natural. I always wished they would redub it with the series actors, but that probably won't happen.


That's why I haven't bought the original movie yet; I know that the minute I do they'll come out with a redub with the SAC cast >.>
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:41 pm Reply with quote
Dorcas_Aurelia wrote:
For worst dub ever, what about the Ghost in the Shell movie? I can't remember what particularly made it so bad since I only saw it one time 5 years ago, but it was unbearable. We eventually had to switch over to subtitles to keep watching, and when we did, it seemed like the dialouge wasn't even on the same subject in that scene.


Everyone spoke in lifeless monotones.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:59 pm Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
After all, if something is extremely popular, it must be overrated garbage, am I right?

I expect at least one Tang joke, the use of the term "emo" (the most intellectually devoid charge assigned to any person or work within the past decade), a declaration of how the manga version of whatever title was better, and some suggestion that "if the fans of [X] weren't so annoying, I'd like it more".

That being said, I would likely nominate one of the barrage of popular moe trashfests, like Clannad or Kanon. Or Rumbling Hearts, which is a 2D melodrama based on a porn game. It's as though nobody even cares about plot or originality any longer.
Yeah, if these moe shows are popular, they must be trashy, right? But I will agree that "emo" is a hallmark of lazy criticism. I've heard it applied by fellow anime club members to any character that's not 100% upbeat and positive. Heaven forbid anyone feel sad about anything, even if it's spoiler[your one and only friend completely vanishing without warning or explanation] (Popotan, episode 2. Of course, that show is full of gratuitous fanservice ranging from loli to over-endowed, but I wouldn't call it "emo bullshit" as they did.) I also wouldn't be surprised to see "the manga was better" and "the fans of [series] ruined it for me."

For bad post-2000 dubs that were not mass-market or kiddy shows, I'd have to go with:
Love Hina -- proof that involvement of the Japanese producers with the English dubbing doesn't always go well.
Green Green -- dubbed at the same studio that dubbed Bible Black and various other hentai; I'd wager the backlash contributed to MB doing sub-only rather than tacking on cheap and crappy dubs. Fantastic Children -- outsourcing for the loss.
Crest of the Stars -- I have no idea what happened with that one, especially since Ocean had previously done better work like Gundam Wing.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:18 pm Reply with quote
KnightSoul wrote:
The most overrated anime for me would be Bleach. It just feels like they took parts from Dragonball Z, Ruroni Kenshin and other like-scenario anime, smooshed them together and called it good. It's nothing I haven't seen before.

Oddly enough, everyone I know who is absolutely nuts about Bleach has never Kenshin and only the Buu Saga of DBZ.


I think you're being a little jaded. Originality, at least in the sense of creating something completely new, is only possible within a medium that is very new, and impossible with respect to everything else. Saying that something like Bleach is formulaic and thus copies everything before it would be overlooking the real problems with the show imo. I thought that it started off quite well because it had this juxtaposition between reality and a fantasy world; over time though the show became too preoccupied with the fantasy world. For me this began after the Soul Society arc; the whole Bount thing was just didn't feel genuine or logical or anything. It really mutilated that show and I still think it hasn't recovered because of that. Overrated? Well yeah...but what were you expecting? o_0

MelloHatesNear wrote:

Because using big words makes you better than them.

Submit your own if you feel they're "laughable". Otherwise, respect other people's opinions.

Heck, respect their opinions to begin with.


It's possibly a trite overindulgent of undistinguished gentlemen such as myself to intrude upon the fringe of what most certainly appears to be a brewing storm, TO BE SURE, however I think that at least in this case the conceit that people should be reviled for their choice of language, whether it's deemed too pompous or uncouth, is a mistake. You'd be talking about what proper English is. Personally I'd rather just make a sandwich.

It's also presumptuous to assume that everyone is capable of actually respecting everyone else and their oh-so-important opinions. I don't ask that of people because sometimes respect is unattainable for really fundamental reasons (e.g. just because serial killers might see their work as "art" doesn't mean you have to respect them). In most cases it's all we can do to tolerate people.
For the record, Emperor Penguin says things that sometimes make me want to send an army of rabid homosexual walruses to devour him in many different ways, so it's a matter of how much I'm willing to tolerate before this occurs. So I would encourage you to challenge Proper P on something if that's the case, I just think it's lame to accuse the waterfowl of being well read and disrespectful.
I hope that's tolerable. :p
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:33 pm Reply with quote
posterior_praiser wrote:
Most overrated anime: Probably FMA. Its good, but its not the be all and end all. I liked it, but for me it wasnt as epic as it seemed to be for others.


Agreed. The FMA anime as a stand alone is great but when I compare the FMA anime to the FMA manga, the anime is garbage. The manga is more lighthearted and comedic as where the anime is darker and depressing.

I'm pretty sure that The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya will get quite a few on being overrated and after watching the series in both orders I'm still unable to see what every one else I know who adores the series sees in it.

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why are there no Japanese versions of American cartoons.



All I have to say about PowerPuff Girls Z is that I hope Craig McCracken smacks the individuals involved in that horrid adaptation infinitely times over. And I also want the half hour of my life back for watching one episode of it, I shutter when ever I think about it. Basically put USA powerpuff girls >> powerpuff girls z.
(>> means much great than in mathematics)


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:35 pm Reply with quote
What? no one's mentioned The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya for most over rated? Well I'll be the first then. Blatant moe pandering and nothing else. (stands behind ramparts with fire hose charged at the ready.) Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:54 pm Reply with quote
Aw, it's too bad that I usually like stuff I read...but that said, there are a few anime that stand out to me as painfully and completely overrated.

1! Prince of Tennis. I know it isn't super popular here but it is in Japan and besides the epic shonen ai potential (with junior high kids, no less), I can't see why anyone would enjoy it.

2! Naruto. This is coming from someone who is a huge fan of Bleach and Rurouni Kenshin! I just find it dull for some odd reason.

3! Neon Genesis Evangelion. I saw a fair bit of it and while I found it interesting I didn't find it to be terribly life-changing, as some seem to imply.

...However, I do like Haruhi Suzumiya, if only because Kyon is one of the funniest and driest characters I've ever seen in a series.
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