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dizzywulf
Posts: 102 Location: Wakayama, Japan |
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I don't think the library should be held accountable at all. If a kid wants to check out an adult book the kid should be able to do it. The library has no business restricting people what they can or can't check out.
If a parent doesn't want their kid checking out whatever they want the parent can put a block on their card. Problem solved. No one from the library should be fired for the father's lack of parenting. A couple of drawn boobies is not a big deal at all. |
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grgspunk
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If the Library's policy specifically states that they can not be compelled to restrict books/information from individuals based on categories such as age, then why the hell should they even have to bother apologizing? The librarians were doing their jobs the way they were instructed. I'm pretty sure the librarian's bill of rights and policies can be accessed somewhere in the library; If anything, the parent should have been aware of the fact that the library cannot do anything in regards to age/content and tell his son what he could/couldn't get before he let him loose. There really isn't an excuse for ignorance. Last edited by grgspunk on Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:18 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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At my library there is a self-check out centre, which would be an ideal check-out method for a 12 year old with ecchi manga. If he did check it out the old method I'm sure a librarian would say something. It's up to the parents to monitor their children and explain why porn isn't for young people since it's something 12 year old boys want to look at and he isn't mature enough to understand. Maybe if fathers explain to their sons that degrading women is bad there would be fewer rapes and sexual assaults. If parents allow a kid to hide porn and they don't talk to them, the kid's going to grow up thinking women are used for sexual enjoyment. But now a days parents expect other people to raise their children. I live in Canada and it's pretty much the same thing: parents are "too busy" to parent. Why did they have kids then? My friend is an elementary school teacher and school now is totally different; teachers are pretty much parents. And people wonder why there are more crimes......
That's not a bad idea since it encourages them to read, but children need supervision and it's not a librarians responsibility to look after someone elses children. Unless they do an after school programme where a librarian is paid to look after them. Last edited by mistress_reebi on Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:24 pm; edited 5 times in total |
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ConanSan
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The title of this article should read "Oregon man admits that he's an awful parent becuase he allowed his son to borrow mature manga from Libary".
Or, even more acurately, "Oregon man admits he's an awful parent because he allowed his son to borrow awful (as in of poor quality) manga from libary". |
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Faceman
 Posts: 300 Location: Boston |
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The I'm pretty sure that the ratings on manga books are self-imposed by the publishing companies. It's up to them to decide how to rate their own manga books. It's not like the MPAA, which rates movies based on a set of criteria. And that's what I was alluring to. Having a policy saying you can't touch someone because, if you put your hand on their shoulder, they could cry you broke their arm and sue you for millions is wrong. It's not necessarily the policy makers, but the people who make frivolous lawsuits and the courts that allow them. And yes, I did mean Michelangelo, thanks. Leonardo's just my favorite ninja turtle 
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KarmaRocketX
Posts: 62 |
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Typical.
The "parent" reacts after the boy has checked it out, got it home, and has probably read the whole series already. Do they know his interest or what he's checking out from the library or viewing on television? I'll bet not. But hey, why should that ever be the parents job to raise their own children and know something about their interests? Not their fault. No way. It's always because of someone or something else. I shudder to think what this kid's father would find out if this kid has the internet. Of course, then it would be the internet's fault, and not his. Yup, the entire internet. All at the same time, existing solely to corrupt his fine little boy. Gimmeabreak. |
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Dunst
 Posts: 11 Location: Joensuu, Finland |
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What if the son would have borrowed Lolita? Library made my kid a lolicon!
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Zerreth
 Posts: 207 Location: E6 |
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These articles exist to remind me to keep reading, keep my grades up and prevent myself from turning into an idiot.
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RadicaLElly
 Posts: 194 Location: Coral Springs, FL |
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I remember years ago finding a copy of Vouyer in the young adult section of my local library. Don't know if anyone here has ever read that, but it's certainly not something I would think would be appropriate for children.
Regardless, the library can't disallow anyone from checking out anything they want, regardless of their age. |
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CCSYueh
 Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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Don't know what you're talking about. I have tons of naked shots of my daughter when she was under 8 yrs old. They're blackmail to show the Boyfriend. But some of us protested the idea of rating records when the PMRC was putting it thru under the same concept that parents should know what their kids are doing & not just blindly read a stupid age rating. Senator Gore apparently found a parent listening to his child's music an unreasonable thing. Those against the ratings argued it would lead to lax parenting. (witness this dad assuming his child would be protected from this sort of stuff) I am a bit amazed the libraries allow minors to check out adult material. I do think it's a personal choice on the parent's part. I took my 8 yr old to R-rated movies & faced the wrath of other parents who saw me deficient for it. I always thought parents who blindly read those ratings were the bad parents. |
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Murasakisuishou
 Posts: 1469 Location: NE Ohio |
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It depends on the library. Where I live, minors can only check out books and movies that are labled 'mature' if a parent or guardian is with them, but the librarians don't exactly do a thorough job of making sure that everything in their collection is marked 'mature' that ought to be. If it's a comic book it's generally assumed to be innocent, so I can see a case like this one happening in my town. Personally, I think that parents just need to step up and parent. If you have a problem with your child being exposed to certain things, either make it very clear that they're not allowed to read things containing nudity or violence or whatever and that there will be penalties if they've been found reading such things, or just go to the library yourself and pick out their reading material with them. You can't count on the library to babysit your kid. |
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RayV
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Yes they can, read the librarians post above. if the PARENT says no mature titles, they don't get to check them out. Now does this apply to this library? Dunno, but I bet it does. |
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Mawdryn
 Posts: 240 Location: St. Louis, MO. U.S.A. |
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I could see how the kid could have checked out the books--unless one looked real closely, even an mature-rated manga could easily pass for some kind of kiddie book at first glance, especially if the cover art is kind of cartoony to begin with like Battle Vixens and Battle Club are.
Of course, when I was that age I knew how to hide my dirty books so my folks wouldn't ever find 'em... 
Still, I think it'd be wrong to use this incident as an excuse for parents groups to declare war on manga, though. Libraries are chock-full of books with objectionable material, including books on human reproduction that can be almost as graphic as any porno mag. So if parents don't want their kids to be exposed to stuff like that, then blame the kids for seeking that stuff out. Nobody ever blames the kids...they'd rather ban all manga rather than take little Tommy aside and say "You're too young for this," and forbid him from going after stuff they don't think he's ready for yet... |
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Daimao Raki
 Posts: 593 Location: Dark Side of the Moon |
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Libraries need to screen what they allow into their shelves. It wouldn't hurt for parents to check out what their kids are reading too.
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alangaruku
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Thats sad that some parents expect librarians to watch they kids.
Their Librarians, not daycare. |
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