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NEWS: Funimation Addresses Dance in the Vampire Bund Edits


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Drunk_Samurai



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:37 am Reply with quote
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ikillchicken wrote:
So basically, you're openly admitting to talking out both sides of your ass and deliberately trying to rile people up. Fine. Enjoy your trolling. I'll have no part in it.

Oh, ikillchicken. You've unrevealed my true, and dirty intentions. Plus 10 bonus attack power. Besides this is the last time you'll speak to me like this, understood? I never took the liberty of acting rudely towards you, and I expect the same.


I don't think he can understand stupidity.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:40 am Reply with quote
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I don't think he can understand stupidity.

Welcome to the forums! Please do read the rules before posting, otherwise you'll make yourself look like a fool, like you're doing right now.
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Drunk_Samurai



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:43 am Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
Drunk_Samurai wrote:
I don't think he can understand stupidity.

Welcome to the forums! Please do read the rules before posting, otherwise you'll make yourself look like a fool, like you're doing right now.


You've already done that quite well for yourself by saying censorship isn't wrong.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:47 am Reply with quote
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You've already done that quite well for yourself by saying censorship isn't wrong.

Oh, I won't deny that I do act like a fool many times, but I won't accept that what I said is foolish simply because I don't mind this sort of censorship. Besides that, I won't deny many other qualities I possess. Feel free to read my introduction if you want to know more. Feel free to read the rules though, since we are both nearing the ban borders. But I'll call it quits with this post, and completely withdrawn myself from this thread until its last breath.
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keikanki



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:00 am Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
My point has nothing really to due with the topic at hand. If you remember, it was a response to somebody who posed the question of whether or not viewing drawings could make you a pedo.


Oh! Well, then, my bad for assuming your comments here are on-topic and not just indignant soapboxing.....

Blood- wrote:
You and some other people seem to have this idea that we live in a libertarian paradise where anything goes. There are all kinds of limits on free speech - some defensible, some not. But if you consider the minor edits that Funi is doing on DitVB as "broad restrictions" then we don't have much common ground for discussion, that's for sure.


I have no such idea, and I'm sure you know as well as I do that "defensible free speech" does not apply to private, non-governmental corporations making changes to media content owned by themselves.

This is a more nuanced conflict of interest that applies specially to media companies like Funimation that import content from overseas: While said company legally has the power to do whatever they like to the material they buy (eg WEP & Voltron) they don't necessarily have the right, especially when their stated reason for doing so is to protect their viewers from themselves. Funimation isn't violating anyone's right to free speech, but they are deliberately imposing an arbitrary standard of censorship on someone else's work, locking out (legal) access to the work's original form in the process, which is detestable just the same.

And (based not on the "dubious" number of detractors that you try to describe, but rather based on the very small number of supporters of this move) I think sales will bear that out and Funi will either cross themselves on this, or count it as another hard lesson learned.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:02 am Reply with quote
Censorship isn't always bad, your parents censor what you can and can't do, leading you on the right path. Forums offer a form of censoring of what is allowable and what isn't and in return it keeps out the idiots, jerks, and other riffraff. It's only when a line is crossed when censoring becomes wrong. And Funimation didn't cross that line.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:15 am Reply with quote
Hannish Lightning wrote:
Censorship isn't always bad, your parents censor what you can and can't do, leading you on the right path. Forums offer a form of censoring of what is allowable and what isn't and in return it keeps out the idiots, jerks, and other riffraff. It's only when a line is crossed when censoring becomes wrong. And Funimation didn't cross that line.


I think you need to learn the difference between censorship and rules. Also yes they did.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:18 am Reply with quote
I pity the Streaming/DVD reviewer Zac assigns to Bund.

I hope Brian doesn't have to answer any questions.

Oh, poor Erin with Shelf Life. Sad days to come.

ANN may just want to pretend Bund does not exist. Cause it will be a talkback cluster**** for a long time. You may want to treat it like a raving lunatic that smells like old cheese. Don't make eye contact and slowly back away...
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I think you need to learn the difference between censorship and rules. Also yes they did.

Rules are a form of censorship. Censoring is when someone wants to control what you read, write, say, or hear, and has the power to enforce their will on you.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:36 am Reply with quote
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I pity the Streaming/DVD reviewer Zac assigns to Bund.

I hope Brian doesn't have to answer any questions.

Oh, poor Erin with Shelf Life. Sad days to come.

ANN may just want to pretend Bund does not exist. Cause it will be a talkback cluster**** for a long time. You may want to treat it like a raving lunatic that smells like old cheese. Don't make eye contact and slowly back away...


In all fairness, I've heard its a terrible adaptation to begin with, but this isn't about the quality of the series and hasn't been from the start.

Hannish Lightning wrote:
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I think you need to learn the difference between censorship and rules. Also yes they did.

Rules are a form of censorship. Censoring is when someone wants to control what you read, write, say, or hear, and has the power to enforce their will on you.


Parents have a right to do so with their child if of minor age. A corporate entity does not.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:21 am Reply with quote
keikanki wrote:
This is a more nuanced conflict of interest that applies specially to media companies like Funimation that import content from overseas: While said company legally has the power to do whatever they like to the material they buy (eg WEP & Voltron) they don't necessarily have the right, especially when their stated reason for doing so is to protect their viewers from themselves. Funimation isn't violating anyone's right to free speech, but they are deliberately imposing an arbitrary standard of censorship on someone else's work, locking out (legal) access to the work's original form in the process, which is detestable just the same.


There is nothing "arbitrary" about their censorship. It's not like they woke up one morning and said to themselves, "Gee, how can we piss people off today?" Funi understands the American climate and have taken steps to protect themselves in that climate. Which is a rational decision. I don't care what their "official" reason for the edits is - as I said before, I don't believe they are interested in protecting the delicate sensibilities of their viewers. It's all about trying to mitigate an all-too plausible shit-storm. Frankly, given the attitudes in the States, especially in the Bible Belt, I think they've got big, clanking ones for even touching DitVB with a ten pole, censored or not.

I don't think you'll find any true fan who is happy about censoring any anime, but I'm genuinely puzzled as to why some of you can't at least acknowledge that Funi's fear of an adverse reaction in certain sectors to a completely uncensored version of Dance is warranted.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:22 am Reply with quote
Splitter wrote:
Hannish Lightning wrote:
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I think you need to learn the difference between censorship and rules. Also yes they did.

Rules are a form of censorship. Censoring is when someone wants to control what you read, write, say, or hear, and has the power to enforce their will on you.


Parents have a right to do so with their child if of minor age. A corporate entity does not.


Actually, when it comes to what Funimation does with it's own releases... it does have the right, assuming it doesn't violate its license agreements.

Not that I like the idea of censorship or think it's a good thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:26 am Reply with quote
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Hon'ya-chan wrote:
Blood- wrote:
By the way, posting a quote, a graphic and nothing else is lame.




Keep it up, chuckles. That's just the kind of deliberate trolling that could possibly get you tempbanned (assuming an admin actually sees it). And gosh, what an intellectual loss that would be.


Remember, no insulting. Rules are rules!!

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You and some other people seem to have this idea that we live in a libertarian paradise where anything goes. There are all kinds of limits on free speech - some defensible, some not. But if you consider the minor edits that Funi is doing on DitVB as "broad restrictions" then we don't have much common ground for discussion, that's for sure.


There is a very big difference between a fictitious young character going topless and full on child pornography involving real kids and sick perverts. Unfortunately for the USA, we have idiots and morons who think their better than others and cut everything with a wide swath. And amazingly enough, they hold positions of power.

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Blood- wrote:
I don't think you'll find any true fan who is happy about censoring any anime, but I'm genuinely puzzled as to why some of you can't at least acknowledge that Funi's fear of an adverse reaction in certain sectors to a completely uncensored version of Dance is warranted.


Perhaps we're tired of having other people dictate what is good for us and what is not good for us. Perhaps we're tired of having the fun sucked out of our lives all because one person finds themselves offended by ONE WORD OR IMAGE. Perhaps we're tired of being treated like babies when they want us to act like rationale grownups. Perhaps we hate those that find it offensive that acting like rationale adults needs to be regulated.

Perhaps we've just had enough and we want the insanity to stop.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:03 am Reply with quote
I think they have a point, but I am in japan and watched it raw, series is ok.


But I still think funimation is whack and they killed DBZ for me
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:20 am Reply with quote
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There is nothing "arbitrary" about their censorship. It's not like they woke up one morning and said to themselves, "Gee, how can we piss people off today?"


Since you seem to be skimming my posts at this point, I'll do the same and just clarify the obvious comprehension mistake the above comment implies:

keikanki wrote:
deliberately imposing


IE doing it on purpose. Because of Handley, the great recession, climate change or whatever the reason.

keikanki wrote:
arbitrary standard


IE moonlight shrouding makes loli boobs okay in America. Why? Because Funimation says so.

If we agree on anything at all, it's that Funimation probably shouldn't have licensed the show at all and allowed it to remain relegated to the legal gray area of import only anime. By licensing and editing it they entrap American consumers who want to see the show legally between a rock and a hard place: Watered down to corporate satisfaction or nothing.

It was one thing back in the day when the practice was followed to meet broadcast standards. It's something else entirely in a post-DVD era when that's the crux of your US release plans.
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