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SS_Vegeta
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Ha. Well, that I didn't know at all. Nonetheless, this all happened before the manga started selling well, and was of course edited at that point. Where in any of the "DBZ" comics are boys and girls depicted nude together? Gohan bathing, with his father? The worst I recall in DBZ was when Roshi squeezed #18's breast in the Babadi arc. That was... wrong, context, suggestiveness, you gotta admit. - As far as this Maryland thing goes, I personally feel as well that the manga doesn't belong in an Elementary Library, for any reason. How it got there to begin with is beyond me. This almost reminds me of the time I was in the Ralph's grocery store and I saw a Goku balloon amongst some dog and cat balloons. I think I even took a picture of it. But of course, this situation is more normal than finding the first volume of Dragon Ball in an Elementary Library. I think adults should've realized these comics were intended for 13+ year olds (which is of course teenagers). I don't get how that's not on the book cover. |
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hikaru004
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Things are prob different between schools. I was in an advanced class so it wasn't required and we got Hamlet instead. The other class got R &J IIRC. English curriculum have different goals now (NCLB) so R&J prob won't be used as much I think. (This is what's happening in MD. Frost was on a sample test but no Shakespeare.) |
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tygerchickchibi
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Even so...the blogger said that he downloaded it. Is that from the official book or is it a scanlation? I thought Viz edited their manga at some point...
Hmm..you should just like me, my mom was just wondering why I preferred to read Goosebumps and have her buy those books rather than buy some new outfit that I needed for school or something. Also, visual interpretations of a story is just more disturbing to an adult than text. That's what I find ironic. How many parents do you hear in the news actually read a book with text and complain to the school that it's inappropriate? If Dragon Ball was all in text (Like how FMA, Death Note, even .Hack have novels), I wonder if it would be just as bad. Honestly, I don't think parents do pay real attention to what their kids may be reading. When I was 14, I read a book about a man who was molesting children and kidnapped some kid who he assumed was a boy. Of course he did kill all the victims too. I forgot the name of the book but I read it for a school report. There are romance novels that IMO I call useless trash. I dunno, I never was affected negatively but things like that exist so I don't shield that stuff away. Anywho.... I believe Manga CAN be appropriate in school and even an encouragement of reading further, IF, and only IF people actually pay attention to the ratings, and not just stick them all at once. Just like in Video Games and movies, though. It can also vary on parents, not just one...but yeah. I think the decision for it to be removed from Elementary and Middle Schools are appropriate, but High School is ridiculous. Then 75% percent of fiction in High School should be removed. |
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CCSYueh
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I made it thru the American education system. God, you remind me of my mother-in-law who complained she had books & stuff-even encyclopedias!-in her home, yet none of her kids ever used them & indeed that is a family of non-readers. My husband hid my complete works of Shakespeare because the airheads he'd go drinking with made fun of the book being in the apartment. Believe it or not, it usually takes ENCOURAGING kids to read to make them readers. No "I bought the kid a book once" mentality. My love of reading goes back to Dr Seuss who, as I recall, was rather heavy on the PICTURES. I always assumed all kids had these books in their homes when I was a child, but that isn't true. I was flabbergasted to learn when my daughter was small this was not the case in the United States. My mother-in-law made fun of my reading bedtime stories to my daughter EVERY DAMNED NIGHT loooooooooong before she was of reading age. (I have an adorable picture of her lying in the floor with her baby books passed out around 8 months old. Also one of her in the bath with a waterproof book when she was less than a year old), I know we had moved up to "Young Readers" mythology books by the time she was in preschool. Her reading score was at High School" in first grade (yeah, I know that didn't mean she was reading at a high school level, but she read 1st grade books as easily as High School students would) On the other hand, I remember fellow students in high school barely able to make it thru books aimed at 1st grade students due to lack of interest in reading. Reading wasn't as "cool" as hanging out at the mall. THESE are the kids librarians buy manga for. Lack of manga in the library is't going to force these students to read Heinlein (who I found dry. I prefered Bloch, Poe & Brown. And tons of sci-fi-Saberhagen, Anthony, Stasheff, Thieves' World, Heroes in Hell). It's more likely going to force them to try to sneak by with something aimed at a lower grade. Is my daughter a reader? Not really. Prefers playing WoW, but she CAN knock out whatever she chooses (like Mein Kampf in High School or those fat WoW backstory books) And considering the item following the removal of DB from the school schelves for the 10/13 meeting is-
http://www.wcboe.org/news/371 I'd say they have far more important issues than banning a book I see an an embodiment of being a boy much as some people feel about Huck Finn & Tom Sawyer. "We banned those damned pervy books, but we better study this raising the sports academic level." My teen's high school athletic requirement was passing in 4 classes & 2.0 G.P.A. Come on--I grew up watching the '30's & 40's Looney Tunes & Addams Family which have a fair amount of "offensive" humor aimed at adults. I never noticed it when I was 5.
Honors English myself-Julius Caesar, Romeo & Juliet, MacBeth. Tolkein WAS NOT reading list back in the '70's so all that reading was just normal book report, not required reading (we had to read so many books off the required list back when it was mostly dead white guys) And even though my 11th Grade Honors English teacher was a Steinbeck fanatic, I have never read anything beyond Grapes of Wrath. I actually liked plays, maybe due to Shakespeare, so Rosencranz, Lady's not for burning, etc. I think Scarlet Letter just sent me over to Devil's Disciple |
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Haterater
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Times have changed. I would like to see a combo of what the teacher wants and that, but I'm not sure what's going on these days. I think overall, I had more novels than plays with many poetry in. Like all things I showed interest, I know I remember the stories that really touched me more than the ones that didn't grab me during school times. I wonder if that's the problem with many people. Just finding that right book that interests you. I can see reading a book you don't care about for grades often can get one to "give up" on them, but like other said, find that one subject and bam, a way to learn. |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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I suppose I understand removing Dragon Ball from Elementary and Junior high, but I think its going a little too far with high school. For starters, Dragon Ball isn't that violent or have many provactive scenes.
If the people who pulled Dragon Ball think its violent, if When They Cry ever hit the shelves, it would be pure chaos. But realistically speaking, what is this is doing is going backwards instead of forwards. If you want the new generation to read, there must be interesting material. If not, then the new generation will end up less less literate each year. This is one of several reasons I think too much censorship is counter productive. |
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Ktimene's Lover
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From its Wikipedia entry,
Hello, it doesn't lack artistic value except in the eyes of puritanical Americans. If this was a hentai or mature manga, then I can see myself having some agreement. Just put the manga in the teen section. Also, it can be hard to find a teenage manga without having little to no nudity/sexual content. |
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hikaru004
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And reading DB doesn't mean that someone will understand Frost or Poe or pick up "The Red Badge of Courage" either. If they want it badly, they can petition the public library to order it. |
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cjovalle
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I apologize for not being clear. The assumption that I was referring to was not that the public library would have or could retrieve manga, but the assumption that the student could, in fact, go to a public library. Going to the public library is not always easy, particularly for children who live in rural areas. |
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