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Vicserr
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
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Location: Carolina, Puerto Rico USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:30 am
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jsevakis wrote: |
Vicserr wrote: | IA (Justin can speak more about that) did that with their releases of Cat's Eye, Nobody's Boy Remi and Super Dimension Century Orguss, and yes, I should order that Maxx DVD soon |
Get it while you can. Once it's gone, there's no excess stock to sit on retailer shelves collecting dust for years.
BTW, that business model is a total failure. Learned that the hard way. E-mail/tweet Zac about it for a future podcast if you want to hear the whole story. |
Oh Yeah, I think most people that listen to ANNCast would love to listen about that sordid affair (I did pick up Orguss thru TRSI, and I missed out on Remi), but those photo paper covers were crap... Mine discolored badly and had to make one up with my measly skills as a replacement...
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Pandadice
Joined: 17 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am
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oh, I can't believe I forgot this. The Boondocks is a great example of a brilliant animated series from the west.
yeah, the animation is heavily anime inspired (which again, is one example that raises the question of "what is anime?"), but the social commentary and characters really take it up and beyond. Easily on par if not better than most (if not all) currently airing, or recently aired anime TV shows.
And I know the guy touched on Avatar: the last airbender, but for him to say he doesn't think it's close to anime? really? I mean, yeah avid anime viewer can easily point out the Nickalodeon influence and humor (the same Spongebog and Fairly Odd Parents humor that was all inspired by Doraemon [an anime] anyways), but the character development and solid plotline is definitely there. I think anyone who can't see the similarities simply doesn't want to see them. and though I personally wouldn't ever call Avatar "anime" it really makes you ask the question "well, why isn't it?". But it just goes to show how dumb a label like "anime" is. It's all entertainment.. and anyone who doesn't find Avatar entertaining is really missing out <.<. It's infinietly more entertaining than any anime currently airing.
Maybe Avatar does lack some basic anime characeristics. But then isn't it good when shows break the basic mould and go in a new direction?
anyways.. none of that really matters...
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Cheesecracker
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:15 pm
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ikillchicken wrote: |
Cheesecracker wrote: | I don't get all the 'Alita couldn't have been done before'. You might not like the clip below but I think it's nearly 10years old(I think it was done in Shade 3D). |
You're arguing that an animated Alita could be done. I believe Zac is saying that assuming Cameron wanted to make it live-action, not animated* then it couldn't be done. The clip you mentioned is clearly nowhere near photo-realistic. It would look horribly out of place alongside live characters.
*Being that he has solely expressed interest doing a live-action version rather than an animated one as far as I know, this would be a legitimate assumption in a discussion regarding this particular project.
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True. I did goof on the part about 'Unless Cameron wants to make a stylized CG cartoon' being part of the criteria. So, yes, the clip I linked was not really proof against a photo-real movie not being possible til now. However, the way it was presented, was that it could not have been done until now because of the level of detail. Level of detail has not been an issue for a while now and I do think that that clip does show a high level of detail. Photo-real is more an issue of texturing, lighting and imitating other physical/optical properties. Photo-real rendering has been possible for a while now, too. (I remember back in 99, a render of one of my friend's images(he just happens to be a texture and lighting specialist...ironically, he's the one who turned me onto Alita) was posted to a photography site where they discussed it's merits as if it really was a photograph. Maybe, the people there just weren't that sharp, all things being relative)
It isn't really possible *just* as of now, it just gets easier. Arguably, the tools have been here, the artists are what need to mature. You could say I'm making the 'An infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of keyboards and an infinite amount of time will eventually produce the entire works of Shakespeare' argument, but this is James Cameron we're talking about. So normal levels of the economic feasibility time/space continuum are skewed as well.
Eventually he will develop time travel just to go back far enough to get an an early enough start on a movie to finish it before the Sun explodes.
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Quote: | I swear, if you propped a box up with a stick and baited it with irony, you'd catch me every time. |
So the part you cut out...
ikillchicken wrote: | Clearly it's actually an immensely complex character piece about the struggles of a socially inept boy with a rare genetic disorder requiring special orthopedic pants and his troubled relationship with his mentally handicapped neighbor/lover. In it's portrayal of it's two leading characters, Spongebob and Squidward, it juxtaposes the struggle of children with the pressure to conform with the struggle of adults to come to terms with their failure to realize their dreams to form a bitingly satirical allegory of the conventional suburban life. |
...didn't tip you off that I was maybe being just a little bit tongue in cheek? No. That seemed like an 'articulate and thought-provoking statement'...about Spongebob. Of the Squarepants variety. I drink your irony, I drink it up![/quote]
You made me smile. so I thank you.
I'm not sure what you mean.....but that's ok
I wasn't trying to be clever by editing the statement, I was cutting to the chase. I thought it(the typo) might be intentional. Either way, I was just saying I couldn't resist.
Ironically, you may have been tongue in cheek but that doesn't necessarily mean it can't still be an articulate and thought provoking statement.
go ahead, drink my irony...AND I RE-FILL YOUR GLASS!
Sheriff Brody:
Quote: | ...we're going to need a bigger (glass)... |
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writerpatrick
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:31 pm
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Spice and Wolf is an anime made for the Japanese businessman. The real drama is in the economics, particularly whether Laurence will make his big deal or not. I liked it for that reason. Most people don't realize exactly how hard business is. It's all about making the right moves at the right time. One bad mistake can ruin a person.
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Ashen Phoenix
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:06 pm
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Oh god. When Zac said he felt strangely violated after marathoning much of Spice & Wolf I unwisely chose that moment to drink some water and nearly sprayed my monitor.
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CareyGrant
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:59 pm
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Pandadice wrote: |
CareyGrant wrote: | Discounting the Tsundere archetype as a comedy gag |
tsundere isn't a comedy gag O_o |
Depending on which of the multiple definitions of Tsundere one's using and in what context, yes, it is.
You have the traditional/original definition of the initially openly hostile/antagonistic female whom, over time, comes to to feel differently (often romantically so) towards the male lead -a complete 180 of character.
Over time, the definition of Tsundere broadened to include:
The more comedic definition (I'd argue) which describes a kind of rapid cycling bi-polar female/male who goes towards the extremes of Tsun and Dere, often at the drop of a hat, depending on the circumstance or the company around them (often in regards to the object of their affection).
And lastly, the male/female character whom on the exterior is gruff, aggressive and forceful, while on the inside -counter to their outward nature- they are soft, kindhearted, or lovey-dovey. Or what have you.
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shenlongmizuno
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:05 pm
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jsevakis wrote: | Are you really trying to state that artistic influences, possibly-intentional genre tie-ins and character archetypes that have become otaku social movements are not a valid discussion of a show? Understanding the characters is all well and good, but if we're to have a discussion about an art form, all of those factors are extremely important and deserve addressing. |
Then don't misuse the terms, not everything is "moe" this and "dere"that. Horo is what non-otaku call a tease. How you got the idea that she is a tsundere I'm not sure.. her usual act is to pretend to be pouty or bitchy, observe Lawerence's shocked our outraged reaction and then burst into laughter moments later, definitly not the usual tsundere schtick. And understanding the draw of Spice and Wolf isn't that difficult either, I enjoyed Lawerence and Horo's flirting, watching them bait and tease each other. The show is relaxing and low-key, the economics stuff creates some tension and drama but it is never that serious. It is something I can watch when I feel like chilling and relaxing.
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Zac
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:23 pm
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shenlongmizuno wrote: |
Then don't misuse the terms, not everything is "moe" this and "dere"that. Horo is what non-otaku call a tease. How you got the idea that she is a tsundere I'm not sure.. her usual act is to pretend to be pouty or bitchy, observe Lawerence's shocked our outraged reaction and then burst into laughter moments later, definitly not the usual tsundere schtick. And understanding the draw of Spice and Wolf isn't that difficult either, I enjoyed Lawerence and Horo's flirting, watching them bait and tease each other. The show is relaxing and low-key, the economics stuff creates some tension and drama but it is never that serious. It is something I can watch when I feel like chilling and relaxing. |
Oh, I understand now.
Your opinion is objective fact. Forgot about that!
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shenlongmizuno
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:10 pm
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Zac wrote: |
Oh, I understand now.
Your opinion is objective fact. Forgot about that! |
oh this is cute
Quote: | her (horo's) usual act is to pretend to be pouty or bitchy, observe Lawerence's shocked our outraged reaction and then burst into laughter moments later |
Is this her typical actions in the anime? Opinion or fact
Quote: | definitly not the usual tsundere schtick |
If that is Horo's schtick, does it match the definition of tsundere? I don't see my opinion comes into this, but indeed my opinion > yours dear exec editor~!
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egoist
Joined: 20 Jun 2008
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:24 pm
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shenlongmizuno - Why are you quoting yourself? Is there a "dual personality" discussion going on here?
shenlongmizuno wrote: |
Horo is what non-otaku call a tease. How you got the idea that she is a tsundere I'm not sure.. her usual act is to pretend to be pouty or bitchy, observe Lawerence's shocked our outraged reaction and then burst into laughter moments later, definitly not the usual tsundere schtick. And understanding the draw of Spice and Wolf isn't that difficult either, I enjoyed Lawerence and Horo's flirting, watching them bait and tease each other. The show is relaxing and low-key, the economics stuff creates some tension and drama but it is never that serious. It is something I can watch when I feel like chilling and relaxing. |
First you say she isn't a tsundere, then you list every attribute a tsundere has. I don't get it. By the way, Senjogahara isn't your typical tsundere either, but no matter how much I like her, she's still a tsundere.
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Blood-
Bargain Hunter
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:29 pm
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Zac, I'll ask you to kindly stop dissing my wife, Horo, thank you very much. Actually, I haven't seen a frame of Spice and Wolf yet, but I continue to look forward to it, despite Zac and Justin's underwhelmedness. I'm a former coin collector so this show seems like it's gonna be my kind of fan service. Really looking forward to the next two shows reviewing the past decade of anime. It sounds like the potential for outrage is going to be yooge.
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egoist
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:35 pm
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Blood- wrote: | I'm a former coin collector so this show seems like it's gonna be my kind of fan service. Really looking forward to the next two shows reviewing the past decade of anime. It sounds like the potential for outrage is going to be yooge. |
Well, Blood-. Not to get your hopes down right away, but, don't expect much from this anime other than a Horo/Lawrence relationship. They talk about coins, many times, but they hardly show any of them and after the second season kicks in that number is greatly reduced. Expecting things that won't happen might reduce the joy, after all. Though I'll add your reasoning to my top-10 "weirdest reasons for watching an anime".
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Blood-
Bargain Hunter
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:39 pm
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Coin talk? Ooooo, that's hot. Okay, but regardless, there is a chick with wolfy ears in this, right? Sold.
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egoist
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:56 pm
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Blood- wrote: | Coin talk? Ooooo, that's hot. Okay, but regardless, there is a chick with wolfy ears in this, right? Sold. |
You forgot to mention her third-rate tail(you'll know why I call it "third-rate" once you watch it). But, indeed, if Horo is all you're after, "Horo" you'll get. Though for me she turned out to be one of the most annoying characters in history, perhaps because of all annoying fan boys she garnered. Have a good time watching it; hopefully it won't end up like it did for me.
~Sorry for going a little offtopic here.
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Karisu
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:59 pm
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Zac wrote: |
shenlongmizuno wrote: |
Then don't misuse the terms, not everything is "moe" this and "dere"that. Horo is what non-otaku call a tease. How you got the idea that she is a tsundere I'm not sure.. her usual act is to pretend to be pouty or bitchy, observe Lawerence's shocked our outraged reaction and then burst into laughter moments later, definitly not the usual tsundere schtick. And understanding the draw of Spice and Wolf isn't that difficult either, I enjoyed Lawerence and Horo's flirting, watching them bait and tease each other. The show is relaxing and low-key, the economics stuff creates some tension and drama but it is never that serious. It is something I can watch when I feel like chilling and relaxing. |
Oh, I understand now.
Your opinion is objective fact. Forgot about that! |
Someone perfectly explains why your wrong, and you get defensive. I can understand that. Doesn't make you right, but I can understand defending yourself even with evidence showing you to be wrong.
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