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REVIEW: Comic Artist and His Assistants Episodes 1-12 Streaming


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Animegomaniac



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:33 pm Reply with quote
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And all this while in a position of power over most of them. It's a very queasy-making situation (even if the show or the characters don't seem to realize it), all the more so because the most explicitly sexual situations are reserved for the most explicitly helpless character. That would be assistant Sena, who is not only young (looking?), but is specifically presented as physically powerless. When they meet Aito force-cuddles her, knowing full well she can't resist. When Sena punishes him for that, he turns the beating sexual, which reasserts his dominance. In a later vignette he Svengalis her into peeing into a plastic bottle...and letting him help. Their scenes together get their "humor" from tearing down her pride, stripping her of strength and power. She's proud and aggressive and female and thus must be brought down. That alone would tank the series.


Explaining Sena, right, the domineering super assistant voiced by Rie Kugimiya who charges artists a premium to save them from deadlines. She's freelance who works for whomever she wants yet she keeps coming back. The female part is incidental, if she was male, what, he'd get punched or humiliated in some fashion?

Sena is a predator and Aito is her prey. Is the fact she's getting paid a premium for her work ... and abuse... better or worse? The fact she keeps coming back for more?

The secret secret of this series: All the women are perverts too. Let's really be fair sexually, women can be degenerates too.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:32 pm Reply with quote
Barbobot wrote:
mangamuscle wrote:

Then he goes on to say that the whole deal with Sena "only makes whole enterprise that much ickier." <--- see again the passive aggressiveness? It is not comedy, it is something only perverts would enjoy or at least is what he wants us to feel.


So Carl saying that he feels a certain apsect is icky means that anyone who likes the show is a pervert? This reeks of a case of taking criticism on show as a personal attack, when it's not one at all.


Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am clearly saying that he is making things up (aka lying) to make the ignorant (since he/she has not seen the series) reader feel that the show is disgusting (and therefore only disgusting people would like it). Because no matter how you dice it, a show can be boring, cliche, whatever; but when you draw the disgusting card you are inviting the reader to either completely shun the series (or, if he/she knows better) tell upon the lie being said.

By the way, blood- seems to have the convenient (for him) habit of not answering to posts when he runs out of answers since this post originated from an answer I gave to one of his posts.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:45 pm Reply with quote
For those who have sensitive moral nerves, it is best not to get involved in discussing this show here. I have come to understand that there are a high proportion of people who will look at the idea that something is, or is supposed to be, funny, negates most if not all faults that show may have. Showing any sort of moral or emotional sensitivity that potentially inhibits what they deem comedy is an a front to their sensibilities. Arguing them is a waste of time, so save yourself the frustration.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:43 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
I am clearly saying that he is making things up (aka lying) to make the ignorant (since he/she has not seen the series) reader feel that the show is disgusting (and therefore only disgusting people would like it). Because no matter how you dice it, a show can be boring, cliche, whatever; but when you draw the disgusting card you are inviting the reader to either completely shun the series (or, if he/she knows better) tell upon the lie being said.


Hold on a second.

Can I make the daring suggestion that someone liking a "disgusting" show (not even necessarily this show) does not automatically make that person a disgusting person?

(edit: included the full quote with bolded emphasis, because it looked a bit too out-of-context.)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:46 am Reply with quote
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It just seems like a story made by a pervert, about a pervert, for perverts, none of whom want their story to be critiqued, even though it's as deserving as anything else.

Agreed. The only problem I have with this review is the slant that the reviewer brought into the show with them.

To me, it seems like the reviewer came in with a viewpoint that makes no sense. Who would come into a show about a pervert MC, surrounded by women, in a show that has the ecchi label, with the expectations of the females (he ignores the poor male portrayal) being portrayed in a good light?

It seems to me like a situation where you leave the cheese out, expect it not to be eaten, but you live with a giant rat (hello TMNT reference). I've no problem with the show being critiqued negatively, I do have a problem with a reviewer critiquing a show on points that they were never going to be finding.

The review feels like one where someone goes in to review a romantic comedy and then complains about the lack of action scenes.

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just a harmless bit of ecchi fun

That is all this show was ever going to be. The reviewer, in my eyes, clearly has some sort of a problem that this show is exactly what it said it was going to be.

There's too much in what the reviewer has put into text that makes me believe they had no idea what they were getting into when they were handed this show to review.

I wouldn't be surprised if the paragraph about what this show could've been was applied to a show/movie that was 100% original..because you have the excuse of interpretation. Comic Artist is based on a manga, so you can't come along and say that there was no way to have of known what you were in for.

And, if the reviewer knew exactly what they were getting into...and still went in to write the review they did, then I just have to question the motives behind it all. Because, the points the seem to get the most emphasis in the review, are points that were never going to be covered favourably in this series.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:24 am Reply with quote
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A good review is measured by objectivity and the ability to put yourself in the shoes of both sides, take the target audience into account, modify your rubric accordingly and weigh the pros and cons and be man enough to say: "I don't like it, but perhaps people who enjoy such comedy will"
Frankly that sounds boring. I like reviews to have personality. Entertainment is subjective. If Carl found aspects of the show distasteful, the review should reflect that.


On a side note, why do people still treat feminism like a bad word?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:08 am Reply with quote
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Can I make the daring suggestion that someone liking a "disgusting" show (not even necessarily this show) does not automatically make that person a disgusting person?


Why use the quotation marks? Carl is not beating the bush, he is saying loud and clear how disgusted he was with the show.

Now let me explain you why your daring suggestion is plain wrong, bear with me, I cannot do it in less than 15 words. Imagine yourself hearing the radio, a local and popular host is doing his daily talk show. Then you hear he say "Anime is disgusting!". Lets forget for a moment you felt rage (why would you? unless you feel it is personal of course). You calm yourself and continue hearing, trying to find out what show is he talking about, no doubt he is talking about one you feel is disgusting. But lo and behold, the show he is talking is where in one scene one human being starts gushing streams of blood from his nose! It does not matter if he is saying this out of sheer ignorance or he is doing it on purpose ("lying thru his teeth" we would say), he continues to describe how disgusted and revolted he felt and how common it was in anime. Now lets be honest, you might try to explain to close friends and relatives what it really means/the context, but there is no way you are going to tell coworkers or people you see daily but barely know their names that you like anime, why? Because their reaction, their faces would say "Yuk, you are disgusting!".
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:40 am Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:


Now let me explain you why your daring suggestion is plain wrong, bear with me, I cannot do it in less than 15 words. Imagine yourself hearing the radio, a local and popular host is doing his daily talk show. Then you hear he say "Anime is disgusting!". Lets forget for a moment you felt rage (why would you? unless you feel it is personal of course). You calm yourself and continue hearing, trying to find out what show is he talking about, no doubt he is talking about one you feel is disgusting. But lo and behold, the show he is talking is where in one scene one human being starts gushing streams of blood from his nose! It does not matter if he is saying this out of sheer ignorance or he is doing it on purpose ("lying thru his teeth" we would say), he continues to describe how disgusted and revolted he felt and how common it was in anime. Now lets be honest, you might try to explain to close friends and relatives what it really means/the context, but there is no way you are going to tell coworkers or people you see daily but barely know their names that you like anime, why? Because their reaction, their faces would say "Yuk, you are disgusting!".


I'm more likely to interpret their reaction/faces as "Eh, that's kinda weird, but whatever floats your boat."

But even if they did outright call me disgusting for that, why would that mean I am disgusting? If someone is overly judgmental of another person over what they like, that is their problem.

If I may make a friendly suggestion, how about not basing your self-worth on what relative strangers think about you? Or at the very least, not basing your self-worth on what those people think about the things you like?

(And I was using quotation marks because I was referring to any show that is called disgusting in one place or another, not just the subject of this thread.)
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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:15 am Reply with quote
stardf29 wrote:
I'm more likely to interpret their reaction/faces as "Eh, that's kinda weird, but whatever floats your boat."

But even if they did outright call me disgusting for that, why would that mean I am disgusting? If someone is overly judgmental of another person over what they like, that is their problem.

If I may make a friendly suggestion, how about not basing your self-worth on what relative strangers think about you? Or at the very least, not basing your self-worth on what those people think about the things you like?

(And I was using quotation marks because I was referring to any show that is called disgusting in one place or another, not just the subject of this thread.)


Never fear, not for a moment I calculate my self worth by the opinion of strangers nor do I lose sleep thinking about what people might think about what I like. Here is proof of what I am saying, take a look by yourself (look for glow or elee0228 if you think you do not understand my point or read this fanzine).

To recapitulate, I never intended to imply that if you like things some people feel are disgusting then you are disgusting, my point all along was that if you are related to something people feel is disgusting, most of them will think you are disgusting, as simple as that.

Therefore carl, by saying that The Comic Artist and His Assistants is disgusting, he clearly wants people reading his review to think that anyone getting a good laugh out of it is disgusting.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:42 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
Never fear, not for a moment I calculate my self worth by the opinion of strangers nor do I lose sleep thinking about what people might think about what I like.


It always amuses me that after making post after post and leaving behind a wall of text, someone says, "Not that I care..." Laughing I always find that tremendously psychologically convincing.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:47 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
mangamuscle wrote:
Never fear, not for a moment I calculate my self worth by the opinion of strangers nor do I lose sleep thinking about what people might think about what I like.


It always amuses me that after making post after post and leaving behind a wall of text, someone says, "Not that I care..." Laughing I always find that tremendously psychologically convincing.


... and dear readers, here is a classic example of a straw man.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:40 pm Reply with quote
Sure, dearie, if it makes you feel better to think my bang on point is a straw man argument, fill your boots. I mean, after all, you don't care, right? You don't care so much. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:15 pm Reply with quote
all the drama over a terrible show. how has this not been locked by now, or at least cleaned by Tony?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:12 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Oi vey ... is that your idea of a zinger? Yeah, you may want to think about firing whoever is writing your lousy dialogue.


People with profound mental health and cognitive problems still have access to the internet, you know. And on internet forums, the usual things we use to flag someone as severely disturbed simply don't show.
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Animegomaniac



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:57 pm Reply with quote
shamisen the great wrote:
I like reviews to have personality. Entertainment is subjective. If Carl found aspects of the show distasteful, the review should reflect that.


I'd like to know why Carl found this show so distasteful but thought Sora and Shiro's absolute power over the unwilling Steph in No Game, No Life was ok because it worked for the show {no...}. Funny? Because he liked it?

There were two scenes in this series that went over the line for me for obvious reasons: 1 The Editor in Chief physically sexually harassing Asishu {Not Aito? No, he has it in him less that Sora; Sora has at least a notion that something comes after "looking". And wouldn't paying women to work on near porn comics also be the definition of sexual harassment? "Men want to see boobs and butts. Draw them!" There is a lot of really misplaced hatred in this review} but I suppose that's ok since they're both women {Correct answer: No, no it is not} and 2 Aito taking a bath with Asishu's teenage sister {"?"; I literally said that while watching it} .... but doesn't that prove how much Asishu trusts Aito? Again, "?".
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