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Shay Guy
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The hell with that. Show me your view. Make a point about something the audience is split on. Make an argument. Show me you understand the other guy and convince me anyway. Write a story with the theme of "X Considered Harmful", as long as it shows an actual understanding of X. If I'm going to criticize you, I want it to be for making a crappy argument, not for emotionally sterile, resonance-free, view-from-nowhere neutrality. |
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Paiprince
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Young Black Jack had that as a political backdrop among other things that went on during the 60's like the Vietnam War. |
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NGK
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Show me real funny conservative comedy and i'll show you a compendium of liberal comedians. protip: you can't |
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BadNewsBlues
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^ Well it's not my fault Dennis Miller is the only conservative comedian I can think of.....and the fact he's so damn bland.
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Lord Oink
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Comedian is usually a job that left leaning people persue. Righters are more likely to go into business or other practical fields. Probably for the best. It's really freaking scary how many people's main source of info for news and politics are comedians like Stephen Colbert and John Oliver. |
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John Thacker
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Everything by Mike Judge is pretty conservative, some more than others. Yes Minister and Veep are fairly conservative. In the area of televised adaptations of written works, the comedic and satirical works of P. G. Wodehouse and Evelyn Waugh are conservative. The original Ghostbusters movie is quite conservative. Expand the list to more libertarian things, and there's South Park of course. A more nuanced debate could grapple with shows that feature beloved Wrong but Wromantic conservatives alongside Right but Repulsive liberals, such as All In the Family, The Simpsons, and Parks and Recreation (even arguably 30 Rock), all of whose writers mostly lean left. (While some would put Archer in this category, I would say that it's more complicated.) Generally comedy that smoothly weaves occasional points works better than a show that wears its politics too much on its sleeve, at least in my opinion, but there are people on all sides who like things a bit on the nose. |
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DerekL1963
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King of the Hill is decidedly conservative, though most people don't recognize it as such because it's old-skool (pre-Reagan) conservatism rather than neo-con or alt-right. Jeff Dunham leans pretty conservative is spots too, though he admits both to 'toning it down' and to tailoring his show to his audience. (A show in LA will be subtly different from a show in Texas.) |
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John Thacker
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Ehh, I agree with the first part of your post, but I'm having a hard time seeing this, especially as regards anime. There's a decent number of anime that are about 青春 as a time for exploration and finding oneself, some extremely explicitly like Honey and Clover. I will agree that there's a fair number of shows and media that also stress the "it's time to grow up and take responsibility" angle as well. Then there's stuff like Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru (SNAFU) where the Holden Caulfield main character can be seen as positive by some people that watch it, or as making foolish mistakes and creating his own problems by mistrusting people, just as with Catcher in the Rye. The "Japan is conformist" claim, even to the degree it has a point, can be easily overstated because society always contains people with varying views, and there are always artists with different views. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Nope, it comes as part of the territory, and a necessary aspect of being a leader. Personally, any leader who cannot take criticism does not deserve to be a leader (and preferably, a leader should be able to create intelligent answers--the "tough questions," so to speak). But I think that's due to me living in a country where leaders are scrutinized and criticized, and the culture encourages that.
Oh, that reminds me--Speed Grapher comes across to me as a criticism of class imbalance and distribution of wealth in Japan. That is, it seems to be warning to not let these elites have too much power, showing expicitly how they can create a culture that allows all lower income classes to get mercilessly bullied with no way out and that. It also took a thoroughly "Kill the wealthy!" opinion.
Oh yeah, I definitely remember Super Obama. That was weird, but pretty funny. As for the wartime Donald Duck shorts, by the time they were made, the United States had already gotten involved in World War II, which personally is a very different circumstance than prior.
There are such people everywhere. What I think are the bigger things to consider, however, are how tolerated dissenting opinion is, how the local culture expects people to behave, and how people in power deal with those with dissenting opinions, which would profoundly affect how open they are about those views. On the one hand, you have places like the present-day United States, where the word "yesman" is a derogatory term and where strikes and protests are so common the news mostly doesn't bother talking about them. On the other, you have places like Cambodia under Pol Pot, whose troops would execute, on the spot, anyone who even so much as wore eyeglasses. |
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DerekL1963
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Keep in mind that many of these anime are aimed at an older audience - one looking back nostalgically. And even among those anime (that contain elements of exploration and finding oneself), the relentless drumbeat of studying, grades, and preparing for entrance exams (with dire warnings of the consequences of not being on top) is nearly always present. The message isn't so much "be yourself and find fulfillment of your choosing" as "have fun while you can, but don't forget your responsibilities". |
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zrnzle500
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While it isn't quite cute girls doing cute things, may I present an anime about idols as Diet members, premiering next season. I don't know or think it will get into real Japanese politics but nonetheless. I'm almost surprised that it wasn't brought up earlier but I had a heck of a time remembering the name myself.
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chaccide
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Hetalia is incredibly political.
Re Sanctuary, I have the feeling that it wasn't popular because it was a messed up release of the kind they only did back in the 90s. They used those stupid regular flipped comic book releases and recombined them in ways such that I couldn't figure out what to buy or read. But I finally got a reading set, and anyone I show that set to now loves the story, be they fans of Western comics or manga. If someone were to do a real release of it today using today's standards I'd think it would do a lot better. I thought the art fantastic and the characters aren't ugly, just not typical shounen designs. Which isn't surprising because it's seinen. But Western comic fans love that. The story was utterly gripping. |
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Snomaster1
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I kinda agree with Justin. There really isn't a market for political anime. Not only that,there isn't really a tradition of political satire in Japan like there is in places like the United States or Great Britain. We've made fun of politicians here for years. You rarely see stuff like that in Japan. I've seen real-life presidents show up in cartoons occasionally. I remember an episode of "Yogi's Treasure Hunt" in which a Reagan lookalike made an appearance. Politicians are frequently lampooned on "The Simpsons."
Remember the "Gintama" thing in which a Japanese politician was made fun of? If I remember correctly,the politician in question wasn't amused at the portrayal and threatened to sue the studio who made it, Needless to say,the studio got the message and never did it again. That's one of the reasons why you don't hear about Japanese versions of shows like "Saturday Night Live" or older shows like "Not Necessarily the News" or "Spitting Image" and that's because that sort of thing really isn't done in Japan. And,on a personal note,and I hope the mods don't get angry with me,but I'd love to see an American version of "Spitting Image." I saw some episodes when the series on American cable TV and as a special in the 80's. I hope that it's done someday. I'd love to see it. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Which reminds me: How well does the general mainstream in Japan understand their political process? Of the spots up for office, do they know where they stand in the hierarchy and what they're in charge of? Do they know what needs a majority, a supermajority, or just a plurality? If something passes X, where does it go, or is it ratified? That you brought up Saturday Night Live reminds me of that sketch in the early 2000's, set in the US Senate where every vote is split 56 to 44, regardless of whatever it is. Clearly, the message here was extreme levels of party affiliation (to where it decides what toppings they want on their pizza--except for the lady who wants falafel), but it's an example of how the SNL writers assume their audience knows how the Senate works. And I think most of them do, due to the huge amount of media making fun of the US government. But in a country where this sort of lampooning is rare and can get the network in trouble, is there the same level of general awareness? |
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yuna49
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It's a parliamentary system. People vote for parties, and measures get passed by the majority in the Diet. I doubt most people know more than that nor need to really. As I said earlier, despite having democratic institutions like elections and a legislature, Japanese politics tends to take place within the elite and among party factions. It took half-a-century before the Japanese threw out the LDP, only to discover that their successors were even less competent so they voted the LDP back in. On the question of why young people in Japan pay so little attention to politics, I found this article rather informative. Perhaps one reason young Japanese don't pay attention to politicians is that Japanese politicians don't pay much attention to young people. With a rapidly-aging population, the global tendency for older people to vote at higher rates than younger people encourages politicians to pay more attention to issues like pensions and less to education and affordable housing. In addition, the malapportionment of Japanese parliamentary seats gives rural areas disproportionate power in making policy. Since younger Japanese are more likely to live in the cities, they are underrepresented by the workings of the electoral system. |
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