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Hey, Answerman! - Harem Harumph

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Becaue we enjoy shows that have yuri subtext? I don't know of any non-yuri show that explicitly bills itself as yuri, because, well, that would be dumb. That being said, shows like Madoka Magica or Nanoha clearly are highly targeted towards people who like that sort of thing. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Madoka doesn't have a lot of yuri subtext to me, besides Sayaka/Kyouko. And Sayaka was in love with Kyousuka anyway.

No, it has archetypes. Who happen to be lesbians.

I am not a fan of yuri.

This doesn't mean that I dislike reading about lesbian relationships--in one story I'm writing, two are the characters are this Japanese chick and this Korean chick who are in love with each other, and they're some of my favorite characters to write. But "yuri" to me generally implies lesbian relationships that exist pretty much solely to fuel Otaku fantasies.

I remember reading the Strawberry Panic novel and I had to quit because it was just fake in my eyes.

Madoka doesn't have a lot of yuri subtext to me, besides Sayaka/Kyouko. And Sayaka was in love with Kyousuka anyway.

But "yuri" to me generally implies lesbian relationships that exist pretty much solely to fuel Otaku fantasies.

Chagen46 wrote:

But "yuri" to me generally implies lesbian relationships that exist pretty much solely to fuel Otaku fantasies.

That's not what it means. Try above mentioned Aoi Hana or Sasameki Koto to see what yuri series can be like, among other things.

Well, one of the mecha shows I like is Gravion, a mecha/harem series {Oh yeah. There's one problem right there}. The first season was pretty mediocre but that was more to set up the second season which knocked down the basic set-up. Well, except for the notion that the hot blooded hero was resigned to piloting a leg, I really liked that one. It's so much better than the "I'm an ace pilot/master robot controller right from the start!" premise like so many others.

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No. Most people tend to think characters are lesbians unless stated otherwise. For christ sake every show or game I watch and play if two girls are close, bam school girl lesbians. A good example of this is Rita and Estelle from Vesperia. Rita is a girl who has been shunned her whole life, an outcast. She then becomes friendly with Estelle, who just has a sunny disposition. Instead of viewing them as best friends, or even she is my non blood sister, the first thing I hear is zomg they have to discreet lesbians. And this happens in every dam show.

There's a difference between yuri fans shipping (which is what Ristelle is, even if I think it is adorable, and Yuri's better with Judith anyway) and other people ignoring actual, undeniable subtext or even actual text. Also, how does it hurt you if someone thinks a girl is gay? Does that make her less enjoyable for you?

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Let me tell you a secret, sometimes two girls or two guys are just really good friends.

I'll let you in on a secret: gay people actually exist, and their existence won't harm you.

I can list tons and tons of examples where if the couple in question were male/female, there would be no question whatsoever that they were an item, but since its not explicitly stated that one or both is gay, people won't believe it.

If you want less yuri (and yaoi) shipping, tell Japan to stop making its heros and heroines much more shippable with their own gender than with their putative love-interests. This is actual a pretty major thing, that comes up all the time.