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Fencedude5609



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:23 am Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
Crunchyroll's streams have a low enough bitrate I see blocking on occasion and color banding often. I can understand why that would be a deal killer for somebody.


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shamisen the great



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:38 am Reply with quote
I've said it before, but I still prefer having a physical copy. I'm sure eventually I will have to hook my computer up to TV (or whatever it is people do to watch streaming shows), but for now my main source of anime is dvd/blu-ray. One thing that is annoying is that I'm always a couple years behind what most people are watching.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:45 am Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
Crunchyroll's streams have a low enough bitrate I see blocking on occasion and color banding often. I can understand why that would be a deal killer for somebody.


Yeah, that ~330MB non-variable bitrate just butchers some actions scenes in shows. Sometimes you need that encode to reach 600MB to get it all in and look good, even using hi10p. And don't go slinging 1080p as a counter defense, I'm sure those are just as starved. I'm not even comparing to BDrips, just decent TVcaps in this case. Maybe the way streaming is now is acceptable for the majority, but that doesn't negate scrutiny others might have. Or others may accept, even if they know it's flawed, because it's legitimate.

And physical discs ain't dead, I wish my library system had more anime DVDs to check out. I'm borrowing as many normal films as I can get through, and that's a very popular program.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:43 am Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
varmintx wrote:
My computer is hooked up to my TV and I still practically never stream; the quality compared to a blu-ray (especially the audio) just doesn't cut it.
That's pretty snobbish of you. I don't know how big your T.V. is but I can happily watch 480p videos on my 32" T.V. with its inbuilt speakers (I don't have a surround sound system, much as I want one). Given that 720p streams and upscaled 1080p streams are available, I really don't think you should be complaining just because the technical quality of streams are not up to your unreasonably high standards.
What you choose to designate as "snobbish" I call discerning taste. Resolution is hardly that important when the screen is filled with macro blocking. A 480p DVD can look better than a 1080p stream and they pretty much always sound better. With a blu-ray, there is no comparison worth mentioning.

Your counsel is duly noted, but I'll choose to complain about what I want to; god knows, I certainly don't complain as much as it seems most people on the internet (including you). My standards are my standards...what's good enough for someone else is their business.

And, even after all that, I never said that I never stream. I watched all of Chihayafuru on Crunchyroll because I assumed that would be the only legal way of ever watching it. With most titles, it's likely that they'll eventually get a blu-ray release and I'm a patient man (with a large backlog).
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Tuor_of_Gondolin



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:06 pm Reply with quote
I'm pretty much exactly the same way for the same reasons, varmintx. But apparently there's something wrong with us. And if we want to wait to see our first viewing of a top rated show in the best format we have at our disposal, rather than watch it streamed right away, well, that's downright bizarre! Like we're mutants or something.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:12 pm Reply with quote
Besides, if there isn't enough content for shelf-life we could always bring back the hentai reviews Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:22 pm Reply with quote
dragon695 wrote:
Besides, if there isn't enough content for shelf-life we could always bring back the hentai reviews Laughing


Eh, the problem with the Hentai reviews is that Bamboo is a woman. No, hear me out, this is relevant.

Hentai doesn't need to have great plots or character development; like all porn it just needs to be effective at being good masturbation material. And since Bamboo was clearly not watching Hentai to masturbate to it, I have to wonder why she was watching it at all. I've read a few of her Hentai reviews on Shelf Life (maybe a dozen old columns worth) and all the titles that I saw were rated Perishable with her complaining about the writing (or in many cases, lack thereof). Newsflash: bad writing and paper-thin characters in Hentai are hardly setbacks.

People who buy Hentai want to know if a particular title does its primary job of allowing guys (almost always guys) to get their rocks off. There was no point to Bamboo reviewing those titles since she was incapable of actually giving a meaningful analysis of it. Her rating Hentai as Perishable just because she didn't find them erotic doesn't mean that the target audience wouldn't have liked them.

varmintx wrote:
A 480p DVD can look better than a 1080p stream and they pretty much always sound better. With a blu-ray, there is no comparison worth mentioning.


I was actually talking about 480p streams as well as DVDs.

varmintx wrote:
Your counsel is duly noted, but I'll choose to complain about what I want to; god knows, I certainly don't complain as much as it seems most people on the internet (including you). My standards are my standards...what's good enough for someone else is their business.


At least the things I complain about are actual problems. Videophiles and audiophiles complain about the pettiest, most insignificant of things. I mean, unless you've got 20/10 vision and hearing like Daredevil then there's no need to be so particular about what you watch or listen to.

varmintx wrote:
And, even after all that, I never said that I never stream. I watched all of Chihayafuru on Crunchyroll because I assumed that would be the only legal way of ever watching it.


Well, you get props for being a fan of Chihayafuru, I suppose.
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Mikeski



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:13 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
That's pretty snobbish of you. [...] there's no need to be so particular about what you watch or listen to.

"Need" is not the issue, nor has it ever been. Entertainment is all about "want". Please recalibrate your snobometer with that in mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:19 pm Reply with quote
For some people it practically is a need. It's as if they think they're going to burst into flames or get eye cancer the moment they watch something with 'bad' interlacing or whatever.

Not that I'm saying varmintx is quite on that level, but you know what I mean.
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fuuma_monou



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:13 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
dragon695 wrote:
Besides, if there isn't enough content for shelf-life we could always bring back the hentai reviews Laughing


Eh, the problem with the Hentai reviews is that Bamboo is a woman. No, hear me out, this is relevant.


The other problem is that there are hardly any R1 hentai anime releases these days. IIRC all the recent ones have been lower-priced re-releases.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:41 pm Reply with quote
I remember the local Central Park store having a stand full of Hentai releases located right next to the counter. Everyone who bought anything in the shop (magazines, games, normal Anime series) and paid by EFTPOS would have to position themselves right next to the stand because the terminal was down that end of the counter. And this in a hick town in a small country at the end of the Earth.

That's an example of just how prevalent Hentai on physical discs used to be. These days you just don't see Hentai discs around anymore; everything's moved online it seems. Plus Central Park going under didn't help either.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:07 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:

The original Stream format was simply too much work for one person to reasonably handle at a salary that made sense.
Depending on which side of "pay-to-the-order-of" one is standing of course. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:56 pm Reply with quote
Mad_Scientist wrote:

I have some suggesting regarding that, actually..


I think all of those suggestions were very good, and I will definitely take them into consideration.

Likely what will happen is that the shows that I talk about to death (Space Bros, Hunter x Hunter, to name examples) will probably not be featured as much, regardless of where they place on the list, unless something dramatic or vastly different happens in the show.

First and foremost, my goal is to introduce people to new shows, as well as explain as well as I can why I feel about them the way I do. So far this season, I'm really excited about Psycho-Pass... cool stuff!
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