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NEWS: NIS America Adds Working!! Restaurant Comedy Anime


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Dark Paladin X



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:03 pm Reply with quote
braves wrote:
Dark Paladin X wrote:
Proof? You should burn in hell for saying that.
lol are you going to put him on your douchebag list, big boy?

EDIT: wow, looks like you did!


Yep, across from trying to buy the DVDs, I think the opposition to shut the fudge up to get something dubbed.
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lol that list is funny due to the fact that a lot of those users always seem to post all day long acting like basement dwellers. silly Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:57 pm Reply with quote
I don't mind the name changing, but they could have chosen a better name. Wagnaria is not a good name; it's complete gibberish for an English speaker, like Utawarerumono.

doubleO7 wrote:
If the page on their official website is anything to go by, they'll be using "Popura" as her name. While I, personally, would have rather they kept "Poplar", I do think "Popura" sounds better as a name and is easier to say. It just rolls off the tongue better IMO.


That's pretty lame. They probably didn't even notice that her name should be Poplar then.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:58 pm Reply with quote
Dark Paladin X wrote:
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:

You're right about two years, because thats how long it normally takes a new label to start dubbing.


I'm giving them a reasonable amount of time to get themselves well-known and get into anime English dubbing. From my thought, it took two years for Dokuro-chan to finally get a dub after it's initial NA release.

Anime needs more Johnny Yong Bosch, Cristina Vee, and Hynden Walch.

Emerje wrote:

What "bargain"? They said they'd consider dubbing titles in the future if they could do it in a cost effective way, but I don't believe they ever explicitly stated that they'd go back and dub Toradora! if it sold well. I think they even went as far as saying they wouldn't do dubs on previously sub-only titles because they didn't want to force certain fans into "double dipping" on titles or cause fans to hold off on buying a sub-only title thinking a dub may come later if they wait (but I can't find the interview where they said that). Don't get your hopes up waiting for that fabled Toradora! dub.

Emerje


Proof? [comment removed]


I should burn in hell for an indirect quote? Huh? And double07 is right, I got it from the ANNcast.

braves wrote:
Dark Paladin X wrote:
Proof? You should burn in hell for saying that.
lol are you going to put him on your douchebag list, big boy?

EDIT: wow, looks like you did!


I'd be insulted if it came from someone that mattered and was posted somewhere people might actually see it.

Still, not a very nice thing to do, I wonder if Wordpress will agree when I email them?

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Dark Paladin X



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:20 pm Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:

I'd be insulted if it came from someone that mattered and was posted somewhere people might actually see it.

Still, not a very nice thing to do, I wonder if Wordpress will agree when I email them?

Emerje


I own the blog, so Wordpress can't do anything about me blacklisting your ass.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:53 pm Reply with quote
Dark Paladin X wrote:
Emerje wrote:

I'd be insulted if it came from someone that mattered and was posted somewhere people might actually see it.

Still, not a very nice thing to do, I wonder if Wordpress will agree when I email them?

Emerje


I own the blog, so Wordpress can't do anything about me blacklisting your ass.


It's a WordPress blog, it belongs to them, you just use the the service. You should really read the TOS some time if you think otherwise. Rolling Eyes They can do anything they want to the blog whether you like it or not and that includes termination of "your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately." Posting on the internet doesn't give you free reign to call somebody a "douche bag" and put them on a public list. Don't believe me? This is also from the TOS:

"◦the Content is not pornographic, does not contain threats or incite violence towards individuals or entities, and does not violate the privacy or publicity rights of any third party"

Your own comments on that list pretty much violates that in bold.

I already emailed them, I look forward to seeing how they handle this. Mr. Green

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Kalessin



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:40 pm Reply with quote
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As for complaining about NIS' encodes, has anyone actually had any problems with that after their initial Toradora! and Persona releases? I thought that they'd fixed all of those problems. If they haven't had any more issues, then I think that they really should be given some slack. It was their first release after all, and they did replace the discs with discs with better encodes.

Their recent Pandora Hearts release has problems, but they aren't fixing it because "that's how it's supposed to be". So yea, 3 of their 5 releases have had funky discs (first Toradora set, first Persona set, and now Pandora Hearts). I also don't think anyone has gotten Our Home's Fox Deity yet, so that could, potentially, be 4 for 6.


I have the Pandora Hearts DVDs and have watched them, and the grain is really bad, but the fansubs were horrible that way too, so I was primarily disappointed that the DVDs didn't fix it rather than thinking that NIS screwed up. From the sounds of it, the R2 DVDs have just as much grain, but NIS turned up the brightness enough that it's more noticeable on the R1 DVDs. So, the screw up is minor in comparison to the problems with Toradora and Persona. If anything, from a video quality standpoint, it was a poor choice to to release Pandora Hearts so soon after having video quality with some of their releases, since the creators created it with poor video quality to begin with (I really don't understand why people would think that grain would improve an image - especially if you use more than a little). So, NIS didn't do a perfect job, but I expect that they would have gotten complaints regardless, because the Japanese screwed up on it to begin with.

As for Our Home's Fox Deity, I received it a few days ago, but I haven't watched it yet, so I don't know what the video quality on it is like.

The real question here is whether NIS America strives to improve the video on their releases and the problems are reduced or go away. Their first two releases had serious problems, but they went out of their way to try and fix them. And while subsequent releases may have still had some issues, they weren't as bad. So, they're doing better. It would be nice if they did a fantastic job with their releases in every respect, but it's not like this is the first time that anime companies have had issues with releases or video quality. People complained for years about Funimation's video quality, but they're doing better now. Perfection would be nice, but we're not likely to get it.

The likely clincher in this case, however, is that the sets cost a premium, and they're sub-only, so their relative value is lower than most release, and therefore people are less likely to want to buy them. Still, if I like a show, I buy it. And Pandora Hearts is well worth picking up.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:56 am Reply with quote
There are some friends we always call by their last names. That's not uncommon, especially if their last names (or shortened forms of their last names) sounds cool (or cooler than their plain-sounding first names).
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:25 am Reply with quote
I still never saw the problem with the encodes to Toradora. Yes, I've seen the still frames, and of course I can see it then, but when I was watching my disc, I didn't notice anything. Neither did a friend of mine on his discs, and we both bought them from the NIS booth at AX, so I'm pretty certain they hadn't fixed anything at that point. Maybe I'm just not as obsessive over my discs as some, although I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing. To each their own I guess. The only complaint I'd have is their oversized boxes, and really, that's an extremely minor thing to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:31 pm Reply with quote
Have wanted to see Working!!, but in terms of generating a less "generic" title, "Wagnaria!!" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue (even if it's the name of their restaurant workplace). Ironically, the original feels like a better fit, as the new one makes the show sound like more of a mystery than before. A little surprising to see Aniplex USA not releasing this, though I guess they have their hands full with Durarara!!.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:24 am Reply with quote
Yea I remember Aniplex saying they would be releasing working, and next thing you know NISA has it under Wagnaria which surprised me.

I'm a huge NISA game fan and I did buy Persona and Toradora and other than a few translation errors It didn't bug me all thatm uch so its cool for me
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:41 am Reply with quote
crunchycat wrote:
Yea I remember Aniplex saying they would be releasing working, and next thing you know NISA has it under Wagnaria which surprised me.


They didn't actually have it, they were negotiating for it. Seems that while they were on the production team they didn't actually have any rights to the show. I notice that on the website the copyright is to Square Enix who publishes the manga.

BTW, this is how NISA announced the license in their news letter:



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Dark Paladin X



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:30 pm Reply with quote
I hope NIS America would consider re-releasing their sub-only anime with English dubs in the future. I really want to hear Cristina Vee or Johnny Yong Bosch in Toradora! and Wagnaria!! in there. Besides, there are more people who bitch about not seeing their favorite anime dubbed more than their anime being dubbed nowadays.

I'm giving NIS America exactly two years to get things straight and get into anime dubbing. If NIS America doesn't release their first dub or first dubbed re-release by the end of 2012, I'm boycotting them.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:55 pm Reply with quote
Dark Paladin X wrote:
I hope NIS America would consider re-releasing their sub-only anime with English dubs in the future. I really want to hear Cristina Vee or Johnny Yong Bosch in Toradora! and Wagnaria!! in there. Besides, there are more people who bitch about not seeing their favorite anime dubbed more than their anime being dubbed nowadays.

I'm giving NIS America exactly two years to get things straight and get into anime dubbing. If NIS America doesn't release their first dub or first dubbed re-release by the end of 2012, I'm boycotting them.


Considering the economics of dubbing and the fact that a growing number of people are perfectly happy with or prefer the subs, they'd still be making more money with sub-only releases, especially with something like Working!! So I think they've already gotten "things straight"

Hence the reason why there's a plethora of sub-only titles from other licensors besides NIS (and it's not like Sentai is dubbing everything, only some select titles), from the shift of everything being dubbed a few years ago. If the vast majority of people somehow need or would boycott without dubs as you seem to imply, there wouldn't be a massive uproar over Kurokami's dub-only bluray release, nor would online-streaming and especially Crunchyroll continue to grow, While a case can be made for dub preferences, I think the "need" for a dub is diminishing.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:57 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:

Considering the economics of dubbing and the fact that a growing number of people are perfectly happy with or prefer the subs, they'd still be making more money with sub-only releases, especially with something like Working!! So I think they've already gotten "things straight"

Hence the reason why there's a plethora of sub-only titles from other licensors besides NIS (and it's not like Sentai is dubbing everything, only some select titles), from the shift of everything being dubbed a few years ago. If the vast majority of people somehow need or would boycott without dubs as you seem to imply, there wouldn't be a massive uproar over Kurokami's dub-only bluray release, nor would online-streaming and especially Crunchyroll continue to grow, While a case can be made for dub preferences, I think the "need" for a dub is diminishing.


[Again, make a point without being outright disrespectful]. Back in the old days during the VHS times, there used to be a lot of people who bitch about anime not having the Japanese audio with English subs. With the technologies of DVD introduced, both sides of the sub vs. dub debate are satisfied. But with the recession hitting in, it's now the dub fans who bitch about lack of dubs nowadays. And there are some people who will refuse to buy certain anime because of lack of dub (like Hayate the Combat Butler! for me, although I ironically bought Toradora! to help NIS America explore possibilities of dubbing).

So you are saying it's perfectly alright for NIS America to flip the middle finger on English dub fans and lose potential customers as well as having Johnny Yong Bosch out of anime voice acting then? I'm guessing you're one of those dub hating elitists.
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