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Azumangaman



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:36 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
JHawkNH wrote:

1. This is not your intenet, it is all of ours.
2. Is his thoughts sick? I would say yes.
3. Is it illegal for him to have these thoughts and should be kicked out of the forum? Not in any western civilization that I know of.

Now don't get me wrong, I personally believe that loilicon is morally wrong. But that said, I haven't seen any sort of an uproar about other hentai that include what would be illegal elements in real life.

Why do you believe that loilicon is sick? Is it because it has something that would be morally and legally wrong in real life? If so then do you also think Bandage/rape, Tentical Rape, & Incest Hentai are also all just as sick? And if so, why haven't you called for the banning of people on this forum that enjoy these?

Or what about fantasies. Have you ever fantasied about someone that it would be morally wrong to be with? (aka someone who is married) If so, are you not also guilty of the same things that you are accusing wildarmsheero of?

I do not watch any lolicon and I believe it to be immoral. I also belive most hentai (and porn for that matter) to be immoral. But I do not think that it should be illegal just because it is immoral.

Back to the original start of this topic. I think this advertisment by this manga company was bad and very distastefull. But I am afraid that this will be less likely to end in a backlash against Lolicon and more then likely push the line of what is considered exceptable more towards Loilicon.

One last thought. Instead of shouting wildarmsheero down and calling him sick, maybe this would be a good oppertunity to pick his brain and find out why someone with these desires is the way they are.
So it's alright for this "person" to openly boast he "finds nothing wrong with have sex with young children" then? I've already heard why they do this from recorded interviews of convicted perpetrators. It's all about them satisfying their selfish lust. They view a child as just a means to an end, nothing more.
I don't remember ever seeing in "Teh Rules" that this web site was a democracy.


I seriously think we should male a new thread woth a debate about this Smile
But anyway, I must frown upon this advertisement. This is rather disgusting, and can only help make perverted people happier to have some girls panties. *Shudder* Being a "kid" of 13, this whole discussion disturbs me 5 times as much as the average person. I must say (referring to the quotes) that you both have good points, but honestly, I can't believe you are defending wildarmsheero (well I guess you aren't REALLY defending him). I mean are you hearing the things he is saying? I'm just glad I'm a male in this position. Wildarmsheero, you seriously have no right to say these things, as you are seriously disturbing people. Then again, I suppose you DO have a RIGHT. But still.... Why do you like little kids? Maybe you could share these things with us. I mean, I'd like to know why you are so rediculously pathetic to not like somebody your own age.
Shame.On.You

P.S. Steventheeunuch and MelancholyDevil, you guys are hillarious!
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Sally60



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:46 pm Reply with quote
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Wildarmsheero:

I see nothing wrong with be attracted to little girls.

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Mohawk52:

So it's alright for this "person" to openly boast he "finds nothing wrong with have sex with young children" then? I've already heard why they do this from recorded interviews of convicted perpetrators. It's all about them satisfying their selfish lust. They view a child as just a means to an end, nothing more.
I don't remember ever seeing in "Teh Rules" that this web site was a democracy.

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If you would observe the first and second paragraph it is not hard to notice exactly what is different.

The first paragraph by Wildarmsheero is about how he feels it is not wrong to be attracted to children (female).

The second paragraph by Mohawk52 is about how it is wrong to have sex with children (both genders). Aside from the wider gender aspect of the second paragraph the other main difference is that one refers to thought and the other to action. For those who are unable to see the difference it is beyond the scope of this post to attempt to explain. However for those who are able to see, the two posts are referring to completely different subjects. As they are referring to different subjects it is possible for them to exist at the same time. More importantly they are independent and irrelevent towards each other.

Democracy is a largely political term and in the light of this case, it is not important at all. Factual discussion is the only thing that is of use in such a thread.

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wildarmsheero



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:11 pm Reply with quote
Azumangaman wrote:
Wildarmsheero, you seriously have no right to say these things, as you are seriously disturbing people. Then again, I suppose you DO have a RIGHT. But still.... Why do you like little kids? Maybe you could share these things with us. I mean, I'd like to know why you are so rediculously pathetic to not like somebody your own age.
Shame.On.You
I won't go into the hows and whys as you all will probably be more disturbed.
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outlawwolf



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:54 pm Reply with quote
It's not that hard to think of a reason. Girls under the age of 13 give him a boner and thats that. There's really no more or less to anyone with a pedo fetish. Same thing why there are people with preferences to italians, spanish, blacks. Or people who prefer breasts or butts.

Now moral implications are another thing but physiological reasons are purely simple.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:21 am Reply with quote
wildarmsheero wrote:
Sigh, so much hate towards us pedophiles Anime cry

I see nothing wrong with be attracted to little girls. I guess I would say that as I am sexually attracted to little girls. Very much so. This panty stuff is really no big deal. It's dumb for anyone to get their panites in a knot (get it?!) over this.
Sally, if you're only going to pick and choose what you quote to make your arguement valid you are just making a fool of yourself. Rolling Eyes
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Ongaku_no_tenshi



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:55 pm Reply with quote
Personally, I find it both amazing (in a scary sort of way) and a thing of curiosity as to why wildarmsheero can OPENLY call proclaimes to be a pedophiles. Is that something to be proud of? I don't think so.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:43 am Reply with quote
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Wildarmsheero:

Sigh, so much hate towards us pedophiles

I see nothing wrong with be attracted to little girls. I guess I would say that as I am sexually attracted to little girls. Very much so. This panty stuff is really no big deal. It's dumb for anyone to get their panites in a knot (get it?!) over this.
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Mohawk52:

Sally, if you're only going to pick and choose what you quote to make your arguement valid you are just making a fool of yourself

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Please explain where in Wildarmsheero's posts did he state that he desired to perform any form of paedophalic crime. Sexual attraction is the core attribute of lolicon. That does not mean he is advocating any form of actual sex with minors.

The only fool is you as you are still unable to see the difference between thought and action. Claiming your argument is valid when it isn't is simply an attempt by you to obfuscate.

Priestess_Sally

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:36 am Reply with quote
Sally60 wrote:
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Wildarmsheero:

Sigh, so much hate towards us pedophiles

I see nothing wrong with be attracted to little girls. I guess I would say that as I am sexually attracted to little girls. Very much so. This panty stuff is really no big deal. It's dumb for anyone to get their panites in a knot (get it?!) over this.
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Please explain where in Wildarmsheero's posts did he state that he desired to perform any form of paedophalic crime. Sexual attraction is the core attribute of lolicon. That does not mean he is advocating any form of actual sex with minors.

The only fool is you as you are still unable to see the difference between thought and action. Claiming your argument is valid when it isn't is simply an attempt by you to obfuscate.

Priestess_Sally

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What other reason is he boasting that he is a paedophile then? I take it that you are celibate? You have never actively satisfiied your sexual desires? If so I commend your virtuous lifestyle. But how many virtuous paedophiles exist in the world do you think? If I was such a person, and thankfully I'm not in any way, shape, or form, I wouldn't be boasting about it on an internet forum. That's not being virtuous at all. That's just satisfying some sick pethetic craving for shock value, and if you are such a virtuous person yourself you wouldn't be defending him for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:34 pm Reply with quote
Hmm, I've been reading this but have kept quiet the whole time, I feel like saying something now.

wildarmsheero wrote:
Sigh, so much hate towards us pedophiles

I see nothing wrong with be attracted to little girls. I guess I would say that as I am sexually attracted to little girls. Very much so. This panty stuff is really no big deal. It's dumb for anyone to get their panites in a knot (get it?!) over this.


For the most part, I agree with you. I don't see a problem with people having different sexual preferences as long as you don't intend to ever hurt anyone. You do seem to be boasting your pedophilic tastes though which I find kind of odd. You did make the conversation more interesting, but creating "shock" seems to be your main motivation. Maybe it isn't but that's what it seems.

Mohawk52 wrote:
What other reason is he boasting that he is a paedophile then? I take it that you are celibate? You have never actively satisfiied your sexual desires? If so I commend your virtuous lifestyle. But how many virtuous paedophiles exist in the world do you think? If I was such a person, and thankfully I'm not in any way, shape, or form, I wouldn't be boasting about it on an internet forum. That's not being virtuous at all. That's just satisfying some sick pethetic craving for shock value, and if you are such a virtuous person yourself you wouldn't be defending him for it.


I hate the term "pedophile" since it usually carries a negative meaning so I don't like to call myself that, but I do like loli. I don't ever intend to act out on my thoughts though. There are many people into violence, blood, gore, etc. even on these forums, but I doubt the majority of them ever intend to live out their fantasies.

Don't take me as defending anyone in this arguement though. Some of the comments wildarmsheero seem to be a bit extreme so I don't completely agree with him. That thing about "ogling" his own daughter/little sister especially disturbed me. For the record, I have a little sister, I never or have even thought of engaging in sexual activities with her. I also work at a grocery store and regularly see little girls with their mothers multiple times everyday. No, I've never and never intend to act out my sexual desires.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:17 pm Reply with quote
PantsGoblin wrote:

For the most part, I agree with you. I don't see a problem with people having different sexual preferences as long as you don't intend to ever hurt anyone. You do seem to be boasting your pedophilic tastes though which I find kind of odd. You did make the conversation more interesting, but creating "shock" seems to be your main motavation. Maybe it isn't but that's what it seems.
Bingo. I do have a genuine interest in loli, so all this talk really got to me. I figured by this time (you know with anime being so "mainstream" and all) everyone would be tollerant of stuff like this, but I guess not. I just wanted to see how people would react if they actually came into... "contact" (as much "conact" you can get on the interweb, lawl) with the kinds of people that magazines like these cater to.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:35 pm Reply with quote
wildarmsheero wrote:
I figured by this time (you know with anime being so "mainstream" and all) everyone would be tollerant of stuff like this, but I guess not.


Um, even the people on 4chan who are exposed to basically everything still aren't exactly tolerant of pedophila. Though, they are more then other places, but there's still an extremely large portion of people who oppose it whenever it comes up there.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:15 pm Reply with quote
Personally I hate the idea of lolicom manga and anime because of what and who would ever be interested in such genre. I'm a father of two young children, a boy and a girl. I have seen enough news reports in my county of Hampshire of children that have been assualted, raped, and even murdered by these sickos. A known convicted paedophile was spotted near my own children's school and was chased by police. So I know the dangers posed by such people. However that said I'd still rather they got their jollies off on a cartoon, or drawing than on a real live child. But of all the perpetrators who cause injury and death to humanity I hold paedophiles the lowest of the low. Therefore I find anyone who openly boasts, even in jest, that they are, or would like to be, a paedophile, disgusting and detestible. Until one becomes a parent themselves this might be a bit difficult to understand, but that's the top and tail of it. You can be the lowest form of life on this planet. just don't boast about it and expect normal people to except it.

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P.S. Steventheeunuch and MelancholyDevil, you guys are hillarious!


Uh...super, but I was quite serious in my last post, Wildarmsheero was sexually abused at some point in his life. I linked Darkness2Light hoping he would wake up and get therapy. Men who are sexually abused have about a 60% chance of becoming sexually attracted to children. Sexual abuse in childhood screws up the development of the brain, making the things that hurt you as a child, sources of attaction as an adult. Basically, the kids who are getting sexually abused today, are tomorrow's abusers. Therapy could help these people though, if only they would get it.


Heaven is a monarchy, and as an American I am opposed to theocratic monarchs. That said, we the people must unite to overthrow god, and bring democracy to heaven. We must create the Republic of Heaven.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:38 pm Reply with quote
MelancholyDevil wrote:
Uh...super, but I was quite serious in my last post, Wildarmsheero was sexually abused at some point in his life. I linked Darkness2Light hoping he would wake up and get therapy. Men who are sexually abused have about a 60% chance of becoming sexually attracted to children.
It makes me laugh how you act as if you know me. Also, your 60% doesn't hold much water for your argument of me allegedly being sexually abused. If it was something like 90%, then maybe.

On another note, I doubt many people here have any idea as to how old I am!
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Mohawk52:

What other reason is he boasting that he is a paedophile then? I take it that you are celibate? You have never actively satisfiied your sexual desires? If so I commend your virtuous lifestyle. But how many virtuous paedophiles exist in the world do you think? If I was such a person, and thankfully I'm not in any way, shape, or form, I wouldn't be boasting about it on an internet forum. That's not being virtuous at all. That's just satisfying some sick pethetic craving for shock value, and if you are such a virtuous person yourself you wouldn't be defending him for it.

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It seems you have difficulty comprehending what is being written so I will spell things out nicely and simply for you. There is nothing that Wildarmsheero has written that in any way suggests that he has or approves of underage sex with minors.

You on the other hand have taken the opportunity to slander him by claiming that he does approve of such things. Its all written above in your own posts and for the sake of clarity i won't be quoting those line by line. You have chosen to bold certain lines in wildarmsheero's post but for what pupose I cannot fathom. They do not show that he approves of underage sex. Our moderator Tempest (on page 1) has already helpfully defined the term paedophile as someone who is sexually attracted to minors. Bolding Wildarmsheero's admission that he is sexually attracted to young girls doesn't show that he is someone who approves of having sex with minors.

It was uncertain if you did so out of complete ignorance or malicious spite but when I called you up on that your actions indicate what, in all probability, is an attempt to obfuscate and quote irrelevent text to try and deceive people into believing that I had misquoted you.

Now that you are unable to provide any evidence to justify why you say Wildarmsheero is someone who approves of underage sex you start to go off on a tangent by calling me unvirtuous in addition to the earlier irrelevent insults you were passing around earlier.

I have no interest in an apology from a fool but if you have any honor and integrity you owe Wildarmsheero an apology for falsely accusing him of approving of having sex with minors and then attempting to obfuscate. You claim to have read the rules on this site, so i'm sure you're aware that slanderous comments are in violation of rule #7.

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