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Chrno2
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OMG!!! I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!
Ok, it seems that 'Answerman' really likes cats or else he wouldn't keep putting them up every time he rants about something. But DAMN, where the hell did he find a pic of a cat that fugly??? I don't even think I ever seen a cat like that. Hairless yess, but not one that looks like they been through hell and back. Ok, that cover for 'Junkers come here' is pretty bad. Never thought much about it until he comments on it. Really, sad anime actually that sort of gets a fairly happy ending. Yeah nothing like being a child and dealing with "parental" issues like, DIVORCE!! And yes, we can't forget that cover for 'Hellsing'. Nothing says a great cover like 'Hellsing' giving you the "bird". You should have did a whole section on that. I could use a good laugh. Chances are I passed a cover that was ok, and then have to think twice about why 'Answerman' says it sucks. Well, if you're like 'Bandai Visual', just listen to that podcast interview on 'Anime Today about regarding their whole marketing sense. And from what I got they pretty much stated in so many words that some R1 covers "suck" and that 'R2's are better as well as the DVDs. But chances are you read it or heard it already. No wonder some fans are so annoyed. Oh well. I don't really care just as long as I can see the frigging show I'm happy. Last edited by Chrno2 on Fri May 18, 2007 12:36 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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bluepita
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Hmm, first of all, I am not sure about Japan but here, at least, 3rd graders are 8 and 9, not 12,
 , the difference being they haven't hit puberty yet. The Nymphet scenes I read about in this thread are a little disturbing. Other than the fact that I find it completely disturbing that anyone would want to read this, the only real problem I have is the fact that the synopsis and the little girl look fairly innocent. If my daughter said she wanted a book about about a little girl with a crush on her teacher, I wouldn't think anything of it. (Well, that's not exactly true since I know about lolicon, but you get the gist.)
Let me give you guys another little clue why parents don't like this stuff. It's not because WE don't pay attention to our kid's reading material. It's because other people don't. I can moniter my child's media viewing all day long, but she will still come home from kindergarten knowing the f word. I can keep mine away from sexual content 24/7 yet she will still come home telling me about the BMW (big mexican weiner) joke that a boy at school told her. I come to this site and I hear everyone gripe about how parents should moniter their kid's anime and manga habit for inappropriate content, that it's no one else's job. But you know what? In the same forum I see other people talk about how they have shown their elementary brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews graphic violent shows, including hentai. Maybe, just maybe, instead of blaming soccer moms for the fact that manga and anime might be protested against why don't you blame your irresponsible otaku counter parts? Why don't you blame people who think it's ok to read sexualized stories about children, who strip the shrinkwrap off adult manga in stores, who let their younger siblings watch this stuff? Why don't you stop griping about the soccer moms and look at your own darn parents who let their 13, 14 year olds come to a forum and talk about harcore yaoi, hentai, and lolicon? If otaku can't act responsibly, quit griping about those who do. (Bythe way I realize not everyone here does these things, but a lot do. It's something to think about. Otaku seem to be blamers.) |
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The Xenos
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Well, nice to see the misuse of the word otaku corrected yet again. It really is different over in Japan. It is not excluseively used for anime. It's more of a overall 'nerd'. Though literally it means more of a shut in obsessive. There's a whole history of the word, not all of it good. I remember it from a class on Japanese culture.
Right now I'm on vacation in Japan, visting a friend going to school here. Just today I was asked by one of this Japanese friends if I was a 'photo otaku'. So it's a term not exclusive to anime. Though certain anime companies in the US want to to belive that. As Johnathan Ross says in his Japanorama documentary, "There's money to be made in catch phrases. Also, upon browsing rows of manga collections in Japan and seeing it in supermarkets in anthology format, I'm more convinced than ever that Tokyopop is so full of it when they tell fans what 'manga' is. That's another definition which has been bastardised by American fans and companies. ( Nevermind it's half the price they sell it in the US for. Even cheaper in the store I bought some. They range between 500 to 600 yen the ones I got here. Though they were marked down even cheaper, to about 350 yen. Right now 100 yen is about $0.83) |
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Swissman
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Concerning the cover art: You guys in RC1 land should consider yourself lucky because usually the cover art of american companies is of better quality than french and german releases, where they often use bad samples. The cover art of many RC2 releases I've seen is often unsharp and sports faded colors. Sure, bad cover art for RC1 releases do exist (I think of the Utena movie released by CPM some years ago) but usually, Bandai, Geneon and ADV provide a good job, I think.
And now to the "shocking" pedo-manga Nymphet:
Oh my god.... no, *not again* -_- Please, *please*, just read this title before assuming it's child porn, offensive to the average reader and a great target for every concerned soccer mom outthere! I'm really tired to read assumptions around Kojika all the time from worried people who have never read it. First thing to keep in mind: It's drawn by a woman for a mainstream seinen magazine, so there no child porn content, njet, nada, nichts. Second thing, it's actually a good mix between love comedy and some slice of life about a young teacher's daywork. The story is nice and cute, but it has also it's good amount of melodrama. To realize that - I must stress it again - one has to read it, or you'll never know. Last edited by Swissman on Fri May 18, 2007 1:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Iritscen
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Well, maybe it is innocent, at least to people with clean minds. I don't think many of us have read it and can speak from personal experience. But when I read something with little girls in it just being cute (which isn't often), I just go, "Okay, little girls. They're kinda cute. What else is new?" Others say, "OMGZORS! Child porn!" The point is, it's in the eye of the beholder, unless there's something outright bawdy about it, in which case I take back this whole paragraph.
Well, maybe you're a good parent, but I think a lot of us, myself included, can think of cases where we've witnessed parents not giving a crap what their kids play/watch/read. Perhaps we extrapolate that to all parents unfairly.
Let me guess, it goes something like, "Do you want a BMW?" We had trick question jokes like that when I was a kid, except it was usually, "Are you PT"?, which isn't nearly as funny. And it's unfortunate (and I certainly sympathize) that it's nigh impossible to keep kids innocent these days, but then again a lot of those playground jokes are pretty harmless. Your daughter won't be corrupted by the BMW joke; the real bad influences would come from watching/reading stuff that's perverted, and that's something you have more control over than what jokes are told on the playground.
Well, older siblings have been corrupting their younger siblings for generations, why stop now? In all seriousness, I'm not sure where you're placing the blame here, as an alternative to saying that it's the parents' responsibility. Technically, yes, older siblings showing their little brothers hentai is really wrong, but why are the parents not aware of what their older son owns? It's their house. |
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bluepita
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Please, please get to know some soccer moms. I am tired of all the assumptions about them.  Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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Swissman
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I didn't said anything about those moms, mind you - got no problems with 'em ;)
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bluepita
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Iritscen
Hmm, I wasn't so much arguing with the manga as to the same darn general assumptions I read here every week. I know as many parents as anyone else who let their kids do whatever they want. Heck, I have friends whose preschool daughter watched Austin Powers and 1st grade nephews who watched Kill Bill. I see all sorts of people whose kids are allowed to go completely out of control unchecked. I just get tired of seeing people gripe about anime fans being pigeonholed while they do the same thing with soccer moms. It's my pet peeve of the week. The funny part is the parents they are actually griping about are actually the active parents who do take responsibility for their kids, griping about them with the argument that they should be responsible for their kids... . I've never understood that, but hey, it's just me. I never worry about my daughter being corrupted. She's a good kid, a kid that when she comes home people tell me how polite she is and how when offered things she isn't allowed she says no. We're pretty open with her about sex and everything else. I completely see where you are coming from. It's just that a lot of people here don't seem to understand that their irresponsible behavior is a part of the problem. I'm not trying to argue wit h you at all, Iritscen. My original post was just that some of the anime fans here need to think things through a bit, about generalizations, about their personal responsiblity and about the behavior of other fans before they start griping about parents. For that matter, why aren't they griping about their own parents, many of whom must not being much attention to what their kids are doing online. Lol, I think I got a little off track with both posts. Mainly I just would like tosee anime fans step up with some personal responsibiliy (just like I wish a lot ofparents would) and to quit making such ill founded generalizations. |
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Omega13
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I'd better start seeing some child support payments from people if I'm going to be responsible for their kids. There's certainly no excuse for someone (most likely older) forcibly pushing questionable material on someone who clearly is not an appropriate audience, but the quoted statement is just another excuse for certain parents to get rid of their own responsibilities. It's not my responsibility to look after others' children; it's those children's parent's responsibility to keep them the hell away from me if they don't think I should be around them. Last edited by Omega13 on Fri May 18, 2007 1:36 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Pepperidge
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Why are people defending Nymphet solely on the fact that it doesn't contain any actual pornographic content? That's not the issue here. The issue is that, regardless of whether or not the series has anything visually explicit (and it does have some things that can be considered as such) it still shamelessly revels in a mentality of sexualizing children, and clearly does this for an audience that desires to see such portrayals. I doesn't matter if you don't personally recognize this element, it doesn't change the fact that this is the intent of the work.
Distributing a title like this, especially to bookstores, merely encourages this type of mentality to permeate anime fandom, and only encourages the notion that anime is intrinsically linked to pedophilia. It's sad that as time goes by, it seems more and more like this actually is the case, and those of us trying to cover it up are, in a way, the ones trying to be deceptive. I want to actively request that bookstores not carry this title. The problem is that bringing attention to the subject matter in such a way may be just as damaging. |
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Ningensei
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Kodomo no Jikan:
I think the problem that I might have with a manga like this, and maybe others, but I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, is the fact that why a 3rd grader is sexually curious/flirtatious in the first place. I know many have come out in defense of series saying that it is not lolicon or hentai and is just an "innocent" romance or slice of life title. However, to me, a 3rd grader is probably an 8 year old, maybe 9 max. What is a little 8 year old girl doing asking a teacher to ejaculate inside her, or being flirtatious and coy with an adult? Even if there are no explicit scenes of any kind, something like this is very disturbing to me because children are supposed to be innocent and I think until they hit puberty age, shouldn't be acting or talking like this. I know manga isn't supposed to be realistic, but it's just how I feel. At my old high school, there were two instances of teacher's misconduct with minors. One eventually went down to teach at a middle school and got caught. The other one became sexually involved with a teenage girl and then killed her. I'm sorry for bringing real life experience but I am just trying to show perhaps why I might or other people might feel so strongly about themes like this appearing in a hobby/medium that they love. It is not my intention to offend or attack anybody. All of our different backgrounds and experiences give us different view points on the issues at hand, so let's try to be respectful and nice to each other!
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ArielTsuki
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Because it's no real responsiblity for otaku to montior someone's kids. Even for example, there's a open 18+ book, there should be a parent regular checking up on a child to make sure to know what they're reading. The fans don't have a problem with parents persay, but a problem with irresponisble parents that try to use the government to montior their kids for things that a parent SHOULD do. Yeah, you can't catch every inappropiate thing that your child hears or see, but it is the parent's responsibilty to educate them about it at their level. Like don't use the "F" bomb because it's a bad word to say to someone. While I don't support showing inappropiate things to kids, I don't support trying to make your kids ignorant of all things either. And I see that with too many parents today, even my own. So I'm glad you montior your kid's consumption, but we need more parents like you. I don't need the government to raise my kid, I want to raise my own if I have any someday. Plus I think people look down on people who show children inappropiate content. For example, I didn't show graphic stuff until she was 14-15 because I felt she was mature enough to watch Berserk with me. Hell, I was more stringent with stuff like that to her than my own mother. |
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bluepita
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Perhaps you would care to read what I suggested that anime fans take personal responsibility for before you start suggesting that it was in any way looking after someone else's children? Inall fairness, I will say again, that I, too, think more parents should be responsible for their kids. For instance, some of the parents of the younger teens in this forum ought to at least try to check out the content on the sites their children visit. It's rather shocking to see kids post of adult content threads. |
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Iritscen
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To bluepita:
I must add that I can see why you would be annoyed by the "soccer mom" stereotype. But I think there's two different types of people you're mixing together in your mind: those kids who are resentful of parents objecting to thing they want to see, who throw around the term "soccer mom", and those of us on the board who've said that parents need to take responsibility. Certainly I won't defend the kids who just resent parents for trying to do their jobs. They speak disparagingly of soccer moms only because they resent having restrictions. The other group, the "blamers", are simply saying that rather than prevent stores from stocking some things, parents should monitor their own kids and not curb what other people can buy. I'm not going to argue with you on this point, as it's ultimately a matter of opinion either way. I just wanted to make the above distinction. Perhaps this second group uses the term soccer mom from time to time, but they really are not the ones who gave the term a negative connotation. (That being said, I suspect a few in that second group are actually disguised members of the first group who use the second group's argument as another excuse for parents not getting in the way of what they want to watch.) Did that make any sense? 
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Strephon
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It wasn't the people defending it who first brought the word "porn" into the conversation. The actual content of the manga is very much part of the issue, as it allows people to make up their mind based on facts, not assumptions. |
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