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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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I say there's a monster under the bed, so there is? We lived thru this ourselves here in California back in the 80's. In the name of protecting children. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial Yeah, it's Wiki, so if you want to look elsewhere, you can.
Been there, done that, we've seen this nightmare. So I'm supposed to clap my hands & support madness across the northern border? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_care_sexual_abuse_hysteria We had one down here where the workers in a church nursery allegedly killed a giraffe according to the kids & buried it in the church yard. One of the prominent accused was handicapped, thus an easy target for being "different". They do say those who refuse to learn from history are damned to repeat it. |
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DomFortress
Posts: 751 Location: Richmond BC, Canada |
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Let's put it this way; if you're going to deny everything in order to win an argument, you're behaving like a sore looser. I mean if you have any doubt that the twins were wrongfully accused due to unfair interrogation, then by all means you can file a request of their mandatory electronic recording of custodial interrogation here. It's not like this is some sort of witch-hunt, aka moral panic.
And you want scientific proof that virtual child pornography is harmful material? OK then. First off, do you not agree that pedophilia is a mental and psychological disorder(citation). When there are those who requested that pedophilia to be removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. That is the single slippery slope you have to resolve, in order for you to scientifically proof otherwise that virtual child pornography is harmless material. When only pedophiles have "intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child"(citation), while OTOH real "child molesters have a greater exposure to pornography than do those who commit sexual assault on adults"(citation), and "child molesters were more likely than others to employ pornography as a means of relieving an impulse to commit an unlawful act"(citation). BTW, aren't virtual child pornography a "pornographic" material with "intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child"? |
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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Really? Wow! I NEVER EVER heard that term in my 50 yrs. Oooo You are soooooooooooo smart! I'd say Kangaroo Court is a better term to describe what you seem to feel is ok for David to have experienced.
You know, at least here in the states, if you aren't in the voter jurisdiction of a politician, they don't really want to talk to you. I had to include my physical address on the e-mail I sent my stupid rep on healthcare who then tried to BS me as bad as you are. I really don't think CANADA is going to listen to my SoCal ass.
I prefer the dozen books I have on the witch trials myself. It's a personal fav historically. My fav is the Encyclopedia of Witchcraft & Demononogy http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Witchcraft-Demonology-Russell-Robbins/dp/0517362457/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257313336&sr=8-1
So a doctor is arguing pedophilia isn't a disorder because in ages past it was perfectly fine for 12 yr olds to have sex. 22 more opinions were offered, some agreeing, some dissenting. Isn't that what science types do? Argue theories? A quick glance over the opinions suggests the basic opinion is to not demonize the pedophile, but to listen to him/her & respect the person. Big secret--you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Also in there were opinions from drs fron cultures where sexual activity with minors isn't perceived in the same way as it is here You DO realize that article "Online Predators and their victims" doesn't support your slippery slope idea opening as it does with the line "The publicity about online predators who prey on naive children using trickery and violence are largely inaccurate" Or from page 8 the bolded text reads "Online child molesters are generally not pedophiles" which sort of shoots the idea that people downloading images are necessarily pedophiles. On page 11- it is noted, is it not, that cases of substantiated sexual abuse cases declined between 1990-2005 by 51% so again, how is virtual porn spreading pedophilia? Sorry, I'm not paying $20 to read your last proof. So I'm still at the point of believing all this virtual child porn stuff is little different from the preschool child abuse hysteria rampant in the 1980's.
Ah, no. I was wondering if the Who's Tommy qualifies. Tommy was certainly sexually abused. I'm just not sure how old he was. Teen pregnancy dramas would qualify. Sarah Palin's pregnant teen daughter would be underage porn material. Miley Cyrus doing her pole dance at the ripe old age of 16 for the sexual fantasies of all the men of various ages. High School romances. Romeo & Juliet. The fricken Bible. Because the dif seems to be pre-pubescent vs post-pubescent. Child molestors, from the articles you posted, are apparently interested in post- pubescent youth in the medical field while all are pedophiles in many law enforcement situations. Clinically pedophilia refers to prepubescent if I'm following those links correctly. Canadian law, from the links you've posted, seem to cover anyone under 18 which covers the likes of High School Romance such as Grease. |
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DomFortress
Posts: 751 Location: Richmond BC, Canada |
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Just say that you think it's normal for kids to fall in love like real consenting adults, and I won't bother you ever again. |
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rinmackie
Posts: 1040 Location: in a van! down by the river! |
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Ok, Dom. We get it. You sincerelly believe that reading/looking at images of "virtual child porn" will turn a person into a pedophile, blah, blah, blah...and nothing we say will convince you otherwise.
And if you're reading this, CS, don't bother engaging this blowhard anymore. I'm sure you realize from past experience that you're not going to get anywhere with him. Instead, come over to my yaoi censorship thread in the manga forum and help me out. And no, Dom, you're not invited. |
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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I was going to say the victim is now 35, how the hell could he be hitchhiking in 1978 at the ripe old age of 4, but even still, what the HELL was that boy's parent's doing allowing him to hitchhike at age 9? My god, I hope they were nailed for child neglect. A child is supposed to have a babysitter until at least age 12 & should not be doing any unsupervised walking except to & from school in safe packs of fellow students. MY GOD, parents are supposed to teach about stranger danger, evil monsters who grab defenseless children into their cars from which they have removed the handles so the children cannot escape. I taught my daughter there is no reason on earth for an ADULT to be asking questions, directions, etc. from a child & any adult who does is suspect.
If you don't value your own child, why would you expect someone else to? And why are you repeatedly going back to a 5 yr old case? No one's contested the law since? Complacent much north of the border? Not to mention the old saying about the man who represents himself has a fool for a client or whatever that one is. Want to know a secret? REAL sex offenders are manipulative creeps. I've talked to a few. They scope out all the options, look for all the loopholes. Those hopeless idiots paraded on To Catch a Predator are, by & large, hopeless idiots who can't score a chick their own age so hope they can land themselves some young pootang. I worked with a gal who had the "dream" of "bringing up" a young lover (17 or 18), teaching him sex the way SHE liked it. Of course she was married with 3 kids so as far as I know it was just a fantasy (I guess she could be convicted of in Canada were she to record those desires in a diary). For some crazy reason society places a premium on young flesh-a "virgin". Vastly over-rated in my opinion & anything under 25 is just too emo to talk to. In case you didn't glean it from your reading, there is an underlying issue running in the teens as molestation victims & that's many of them are actively looking to be deflowered. One gal my teen know was looking for a guy to deflower her from the age of 12 & she managed to have her first baby before my teen graduated high school. My niece managed to have her first baby 3 weeks after she turned 18. My best friend in 6th grade had 3 or 4 kids by the time I graduated high school. A certain segment of the population in the US at least perceive having a baby=a welfare check & being out from under mom & dad's thumb. Even that boy apparently agreed to allow his picture to be taken for cash. He had his reasons for agreeing & again, his parents failed to teach him how horribly wrong that was. We need to teach our kids having sex doesn't make one any more of an adult than smoking or drinking alcohol does. That one predator study that pointed out sex abuse has decreased by 50% in this age of the internet also pointed out we need to be educating the teens, not the parents. Which means all the pictures in the world being used for self pleasuring would have no power to seduce those teens into having sex if they knew not to have sex. And don't give me that frontal lobe stuff. Teens can learn no means no. My teen did. She was in the hospital recently & they kept asking her if she was pregnant & she had to finally tell them she's a virgin just to stop the question
Why? David has a lower risk. Why give him the same sentence? Want to score points with the public? Not to mention those "Risk to reoffend" scales are a mixed lot in themselves. The one we use covers how many offenses the person has in a certain length of time, their age at their first offense, etc. to produce a score. As one of my co-workers points out, an axe murderer or rapist who does 10-15 yrs in prison would come out with a very low risk to re-offend on his first crime after being released. Drug users, on the other hand, tend to pile up offenses so they tend to land higher scores. |
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Keonyn
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Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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Alright, this has gone on long enough. Dom, you know the rules on soapboxing, and you're antagonistic actions and inability to discuss or show any signs that you're listening to the other posters has all but killed this thread. At this point this has become a circus with all the performers going around in circles in the ring with you one ringmaster trying to control the whole thing. If that's not bad enough, it's coming at the expense of other posters, which one warning has already been given about.
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