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REVIEW: The Moe Manifesto

Timeenforceranubis wrote:

Here's the rub, though: Is it healthier to form a romantic connection with a fictional character, or to put oneself out into the dating world and face constant rejection from the opposite sex, breaking you down bit by bit? Because that seems to be what a lot of these people are facing.

WOW... You seem to have an incredibly narrow view of dating dude...
OF COURSE not everyones going to like you. You just have to learn to accept rejection and move on. You are not the only person who gets rejected (even completely sociable, physically attractive people get rejected. Just look at Robin Thicke). It's almost like people's perception of you vary from person to person.

In a planet of over a billion, if you seriously think there's not ONE person out there willing to give you the time of day, then you truly are lost TEAnubis.

You're essentially giving up on yourself and the world when you subscribe to this moe girlfriend lifestyle (atleast, that's how I see it)


Better start believing in yourself, because no one else will do it for you

You seem to think I'm talking about myself. I'm not.

We're talking Japanese otaku here. Specifically moe otaku. These people are generally outcasts and generally have little luck with women.

Me, I'm not one of those people.

Timeenforceranubis wrote:

You seem to think I'm talking about myself. I'm not. We're talking Japanese otaku here. Specifically moe otaku. These people are generally outcasts and generally have little luck with women. Me, I'm not one of those people.

Are you aware that pretty much the entire "Anti-Moé Brigade" thing you've been railing about for years all boils down to "These people are generally outcasts and generally have little luck with women. Me, I'm not one of those people." And now, all you've done is shift the line a little bit further, so that you're on the reasonable side, not like those people. Because Japanese moe otaku are apparently all anti-social rejects who can't get any, but you're better than that.

This isn't empathy or perspective, nor is it truly "understanding". It's pure self-defence. It's no less hateful and harmful than the broadly negative stereotypes that people apply to moe fans all the time. The only difference is that "Japanese moe otaku" aren't here to speak up for themselves, and explain how they're actually good-looking well-adjusted people with healthy self-esteem too, whether they're looking for a "3D" partner or not. Perhaps they too will argue that they're not one of those people.

And this is basically the story of the entirety of anime fandom: defending their widely-misunderstood hobbies by pointing fingers and saying "at least I'm not one of those people."

That's not what I'm saying at all, and I realize that you had to take the first part of my post out of context to make it look like it's what I'm saying.

Re-read my post (my entire post), and this time do it without trying to do this "gotcha!" thing where you try and prove me inconsistent by taking the first part of my post out of context with the rest of my post because the first part (not even continuing with the paragraph you simply cut the first sentence out of) is the only part of my post that makes me sound like what you're portraying me as.

Because I have empathy, however, and because I have perspective, I realize that, even though I have no compulsion to give up dating and live my life devoted to (the goddess) Kotonoha Katsura, it's probably a great deal more difficult for someone who lives in a place like Japan (Where 1: Conformity rules, and 2: Less and less people are dating anyway, among other cultural issues), or who suffers from social anxiety, or whose ostracism from society has broken down their self-confidence. I don't blame them for giving up. In their situation, they may very well have decided that giving up and loving an anime character is emotionally and psychologically healthier for them in the long run than going out there and having all that rejection erode their sense of self-worth would be, and I can't blame them for that.