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Blood-
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I'll just repeat what I already posted in the Talkback Forum's episode review thread:
I have to admit that I'm starting to lose my patience with this show. Given episode 7, I have to consider that the primary interest of the creator of MiA is bring forth cute children and then subject them to crueller than normal fates. It's really smacking of misery porn to me, now. Not that there wasn't already plenty of examples of it previously but the cumulative effect is starting to weigh on me. Recently, my good friend Alan45 wrote that he was avoiding shows like MiA because he did not enjoy having his heartstrings tugged on. I'm starting to see the wisdom of that approach with this tear-harvester. And I feel like the show just really gilds the tragedy lily. Like it's not enough what happens to Irumyuui, what with her sad backstory and how her wish cruelly plays off that so that she has to go through many, many painful moments with her "children" and ultimately gets eaten... nah, that's not enough. OF COURSE, a cute pet of hers has to get eaten, too. I'm actually getting angry thinking about this grief overload. |
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DuskyPredator
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I was a little unsure with the directing whether it was Irumyuui herself who got eaten, or just her children. My assumption was that it was her offspring being treated as some sort of cure all. I also assumed Faputa, the girl that was weirdly attached Reg, has some sort of connection to her that would not make sense if she is just dead at the end of the episode. I can be super sensitive to things like seeing kids suffer, I have had pretty awful reactions to something like a slasher anime that had a high school kid being killed. Also remembered the movie kind of destroyed me emotionally with Prushka. But as awful as what happened with Nanachi and Mitty, I think the whole emotions got to me in the best way possible. That the worst could happen, but there could be hope for even ending the pain immortal creatures stuck in its own body, as much as Mitty was Nanachi's treasure, she cared about ending her suffering. Bad things do happen in this show, to children too, but to me it has kind of overcome a sense of nihilism. At this part of her story, with what came in this episode is along the lines of the tragedy of Irumyuui was apparently importance of her life was apparently on whether she could give birth or not, something of real world parallels, and how that twisted into whatever happened to her. |
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ACｘS
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I have to admit: anyone who enjoys watching this show must have to some extent some kind of masochism. I'm one of those people, even if a part of me dies on the inside every episode. The ancestors ran into a problem that every explorer that conquers a new land faces: lack of resources, especially water. Drink water that God knows where it's been, or just die from dehydration. Going back up definitely isn't an option (and if you think about it, the Golden City is doomed to attract more explorers because nobody can tell them not to... just look at what Riko just did). They essentially have no other choices. The crux of the episode is the Cradle of Desire, which for some reason responds to wishes by children the best (not sure why). From what I can gather, Faputa simply wants a family to call her own. None of them survives. Imagine giving birth to stillborn babies... that's messed up. And also from what I can gather, the Cradle also grants Vueko's desire, which I believe is to free Faputa from (physical) pain. With everyone dying, and having no other options left, we come to perhaps the only conclusion we can imagine: spoiler[they eat Faputa's kids (Reg met Faputa so I assume they didn't eat her).] If you think about it, it didn't fully come unexpected: Wazukyan was giving ominous vibes about Faputa's purpose. Also, spoiler[in times of desperation, isn't it obvious that we turn to cannibalism?] That's what makes this shocking. I assume that what happened there is what turned everyone into Hollows. How is this attributed to their "desires"? We will find out. And yes, this show is hard to watch (and I love it). |
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Ah, I'd sort of forgotten about Faputa. Yes, it makes sense that it's her "children" that got eaten instead of her. Which doesn't really bother me since they all die not long after being born, anyway. (That's the part that bothers me.) I guess the lens that this show has caused me to develop causes me to just naturally jump to the most horrifying conclusion in any given situation.
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Chiibi
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Lawl....I'm really more of a sadist.  (but even my sadistic side doesn't like seeing the cute young characters being tortured)
But I mean, I enjoy the scenes that we are supposed to enjoy. It's not as though every second we spent with this show is drenched in misery and pain with no joy to be found, no, that would describe Magical Girl Site...which I hated and could barely sit through for 22 minutes. MiA really enchants me with its wonder, creativity, and imagination in spite of the horrific and squick elements. I am too deep (pun intended) to pull out of it now. (also pun intended) |
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ACｘS
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Hot take: I can't help but feel like the whole "transformation" is somewhat allegorical to religious fanaticism. The sense of utter despair and desperation, symbolizing Irumyuui as their hope and salvation (an idol, really), giving up their bodies to a greater force and basically surrendering themselves to an idol (kinda feels like a nod to the idea that "we are born sinners and must atone for our sins"). So let's clear up a few things: Irumyuui and Faputa are not exactly one and the same. Irumyuui is the kid that followed Veruko and others originally; Faputa is her descendant, and is somewhat seen as Irumyuui's representative ("symbol", yet again). Which is strange because it almost feels as though Faputa embodies Irumyuui, and that part of Irumyuui is inside her. Irumyuui's body is gone, but her "soul" still exists. It's the same theory with Mitty: Riko learned that even if Mitty's physical body was gone and that Mitty was clinically dead, her soul still remains and that she was still "alive" in her new form. It's the story's approach to Descartes's dualism... very philosophical. Now the problem is that Irumyuui wants to destroy this village because it's not sustainable anymore, but with the recent changes and everything i.e. the arrival of Riko and her friends, the village is still holding up. How can Riko and the rest save the village is the crux, and I'm sure it has something to do with Reg's obscure past which will be revealed eventually. |
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DuskyPredator
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About saving the village depends on if is the people, or the location. My understanding is that Irumyuui is the physical location, the buildings they reside in, and it is something she was manipulated into unending suffering by its inhabitants. Specifically the leader who we now know was the guy at the restaurant, but many of them also just accepted it, without considering the pain they put her into. Faputa is like proof that Irumyuui did not just benevolently give to them, that she would want revenge, and probably an end to her pain. She automatically attacked the residents, but also looked conflicted by I take it the villagers that do know how awful what was done, and might feel bad. But, Irumyuui should have agency over her own fate. |
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Chiibi
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Yes. The manga was the exact same way so I was agonizing over this before the answer was revealed in the next chapter. It was an awful waiting period. 
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ACｘS
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Tfw something terrible is going to happen. |
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DuskyPredator
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So far I am still with Faputa, even if she is going to end up hurting a lot of mostly innocence.
But I was running some thoughts about how a lot of the denizens of the village cannot leave. Maybe they themselves are like a dream, how they gave up their bodies and so only have a body inside of the village, like they are not independent bodies. Also, only in this episode did I kind of see that Faputa's bodyguard kind of resembles a Big Daddy from the Bioshock series, especially with Faputa in the Little Sister role. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some inspiration. |
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Chiibi
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I understand why Faputa's consumed with rage...but murdering the entire village really isn't okay to do in my humble opinion.
Kinda surprised how lots of people are saying "They deserve it; they deserve it". Why do they deserve it? For simply taking a cure that saved them from death? They probably didn't even know what it was made from! |
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Yttrbio
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There's an interesting contrast between the "they should die" view on this show and the "kill the kid" view in the Executioner's Way of Life from last season. People insisted that it wasn't just "he represents a genre we're tired of" but that there was good reason to kill him, even if he wasn't at fault. But I stand by my original assessment that it's just a matter of which characters are designed to elicit sympathy and which ones aren't.
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Chiibi
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Ahaha...so I was (still am) SO very burnt out on those type of MCs from isekai stories that uh..... I kinda laughed.
Maybe I'm a monster. But the series got SO much more interesting after she killed him. Also, here's an update from someone who is playing the new game (me) xD The graphics are a bit dated and the character models are kinda cheap-looking but it's very faithful to the anime/manga and the music's really nice. There is a lovely opening song with footage from the anime once Riko and Reg descend into the Abyss together (would be the end of anime episode 03) They both sing the song and it's cute!! The game itself? IS DIFFICULT!! What drives me insane is that you can die from ascending too much on the FIRST LAYER. Yeah, the first layer!!! That's not how the world in this is supposed to work!! I like games where you have to explore a big world and collect things (relics) so I don't really have an issue with the gameplay so far...but just like the real Abyss, it's so easy to get LOST!! When Riko travels with Reg, he princess-carries her if you choose "Descend" x3 it's friggin adorable heheh For people who really didn't like some of the lewd jokes like about Reg's...anatomy, those are actually absent so far. They do mention the strung-up punishment but there is no visual to go with it. But they sure don't skimp on the gore or blood! Me: "Hmmm will it really be just like the show?" Case on the back: RATED MA Me: "YUP." xD It's NOT a pretty sight when the Ascension Curse kills Riko.  Just like in the series, she gets horribly sick and then (unlike the series), falls down and dies gruesomely in a puddle of blood. It's upsetting enough to watch that when I get lost, I just make her jump off cliffs instead of making her ascend back to where she started from. Lol
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DuskyPredator
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Season 2, Episode 10
I really enjoyed this episode, and I think in general is a really good example of why I find this series so fascinating. Faputa and Reg's promise, that we got the hints that he was looking for something and did promise to come back and help Faputa. Help Faputa to do thing she has to do by her basic nature, so that Faputa can then move on from the rage/revenge monster that she has been made, and she be an elegant and free princess. To be fair, at the start of the episode, it pretty much repeated a goodbye Mitty scene, which was the previous masterpiece moment of the series, now giving Nanachi the ability to do it with her own hands. Also, kind of looked like Belaf planned a lot of this outcome. It didn't really make sense what Belaf was getting out of putting Nanachi to sleep in exchange for not being able to eat Mitty, but I think that he actually wanted to motivate her friends in a way that would let Faputa into the village. So he could end some of the suffering. |
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Bargain Hunter Posts: 23835 |
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I really hope this is the last time I have to cry over Mitty. ENOUGH!!!
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