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Rederoin wrote:

You would really love to live a in dystopia, it seems.

LOL, that's exactly what I was thinking.



Let's just ban everything people don't like without due cause!

So... instead of responding to peoples arguments against you, you resort to crass and irrelevant images?

If you're boldly telling the world that you're masturbating to depictions of babies, and immorality is subjective, then why don't you face the fact like an adult and actually reply to us with something constructive?

Instead of saying "I'm into this" why don't you just say "I'm a pedophile"?

Dude, what is wrong with you? What have I done to earn your ire? I hardly think the intensity of your response is appropriate.

Crass? Are you kidding me? It's a reference to a dystopian literary masterpiece, 1984, written by George Orwell - posted partly in jest to reference how some posters have been advocating to control expression and thought without proving harm. Or would you rather me reference Brave New World? Or Handmaid's Tale? Or Clockwork Orange? Or heck, Psycho-Pass or Shin Sekai Yori?

Seriously, did you not see my considered replies to multiple people on the board? I didn't put all that effort into replying to be called out for not replying.

Even if in the bizarre state that the desensitization of child sexualization is a common thing and not considered hurtful to real children, the highly immoral nature in and of itself should be taboo and demonized if we are to call ourselves a "civil" society.

Lostlorn Forest wrote:

Even if in the bizarre state that the desensitization of child sexualization is a common thing and not considered hurtful to real children, the highly immoral nature in and of itself should be taboo and demonized if we are to call ourselves a "civil" society.

A 'civil' society does not ban things just because the majority does not like it.
Morals are subjective, afterall.


Live and let live and all that.

What you're saying makes a lot of sense now. But wouldn't you say that there are a lot of opportunies for adults to take advantage of kids due to the natural certitude in society? What about the amount of criminals that get away with rape because of the corrupt judicial system? What if it reaches the light years later, after the harm has been done?

Moreover, can you really compare people wanting to kill other people who they may slightly detest versus a specific, actively ongoing libido?

I've read over all of your posts in this comment section and you still haven't addressed the concern that fictional pedophilia can harm actual children. No, when we say it harms actual children, we of course do not mean DIRECTLY.... just as how, for example, racism can't directly hurt people... we mean that by making the sexualization of children "regular" and "OK" in the eyes of society, we are making real children vunerable because people who are desensitized to such themes will carry out sex crimes because it's been normalized for them. The same cannot be said for violent TV shows/movies/video games because there is not a common self-interest involved (libido).

Rederoin wrote:

Lostlorn Forest wrote: Even if in the bizarre state that the desensitization of child sexualization is a common thing and not considered hurtful to real children, the highly immoral nature in and of itself should be taboo and demonized if we are to call ourselves a "civil" society. A 'civil' society does not ban things just because the majority does not like it. Morals are subjective, afterall. Live and let live and all that.

You could say the same about rape and murder. The line is crossed when it has the potential to harm another human being, regardless of whether or not you feel it is "right or wrong".

The chance that it could harm real children is far greater than the banning of it causing us to turn into a totalitarian society...

There are CONSEQUENCES in real life to breaking the law. People are socialized to accept this very simple fact and it acts as a deterrent to real-world crimes. There is NO evidence that consumption of fiction can influence real life behavior. The violent video game issue is one that has received a lot of attention and they have yet to come forth with any reliable proof. Just watch the Penn and Teller episode on it.

The problems with the judicial system that you bring up is an issue that affects ALL crimes and cannot be a justification for banning fictional child porn, or any objectionable fiction for that matter.

With regard to your point on violence, you seem to think that people need a motive to kill. The thing about killing in games is that THE ACT ITSELF is motivation enough, giving the player a power-trip. You don't need to have a motive to want to kill. It is analogous.

Just because we normalize something in FICTION doesn't mean that we do the same for REAL LIFE. People can tell the difference. It is precisely because it's fiction that people can do whatever they want. There are no consequences.

Rape and murder is harmfull 100% of the time.
Meanwhile, we don't got any reliable studies that show us that fictional characters are harmful, remember, this daki is not porn.

Its the same thing people pull with violent video games. Say it leads to more violence, and then it turns out those studies they do are all bogus.

If you want to feel disgusted, that is fine. But forcing your views on others and supporting thought crime crosses the line.

Rederoin wrote:

Rape and murder is harmfull 100% of the time. Meanwhile, we don't got any reliable studies that show us that fictional characters are harmful, remember, this daki is not porn. Its the same thing people pull with violent video games. Say it leads to more violence, and then it turns out those studies they do are all bogus. If you want to feel disgusted, that is fine. But forcing your views on others and supporting thought crime crosses the line.

Yes because child porn and any other form of it (loli/shota/etc - although less often so I believe than real life images of sexual abuse) is a crime.

So I guess racism is a thought crime too?

This daki still does not qualify as porn.. but whatever.
Loli/shota is not illegal in all US states, or even all European countries.
Its not illegal where i'm from.

And racism by itself is not against the law, nice try.

I never said racism is illegal but it does contribute to the pile of bodies rapidly accumulating that you'd notice if you turned on the news.

I never said the daki in particular is illegal at all. I said I'm talking about general child porn and loli/shota. This daki doesn't fall into those categories... mostly.

And racism by itself is not against the law, nice try.

We have known that for centuries, but you can't ban racist thoughs, so I don't see your point. Unless you're saying racist statements should be banned, in which case I know what kind of person i'm dealing with.

Nobody is saying child porn should be legal, so why bring up the real thing?
This is about censorship of fiction and thought crimes.