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configspace
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But how would they check on their own? They'd have to download the Japanese BD rips which can be raws instead of fansubs, or buy them. The alternative is if they are aware of fan comparisons between TV and BD so they know what to look for. However all of these methods only work if their production starts after the JP BD releases, which is the case for their longer releases, but not always.
That's for that useful information about Oricon. However it's inaccurate to say it has "no impact". It still has monetary impact, but is not reflected in the Japanese sales charts, which is unfortunate. It's interesting that they still collect overseas data, but they separate it out and that data sits unused. I really hope they publish that in the future.
My notes: http://www.kira-reviews.com/ - most other sites use Japanese sources, but he does this on his own - mostly a one-man show so don't expect frequent updates - probably the most comprehensive single site so far http://haruhichan.com/ - see posts by FrontalSpy: http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/author/frontalspy/ or his own site: http://www.otakutale.com/ - titled: TV vs Blu-Ray .... or Censored vs Uncensored .... - taken from various Japanese sources - note: tags are inconsistent http://sankakucomplex.com http://seventhstyle.com Attack on Titan: http://onepixeljump.com/tag/attack-on-titan-blu-ray-tv-comparisons/ - Japanese sources: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-19385.html http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-18784.html http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-18239.html Japanese blogs: http://cartoonworld2.blog.fc2.com/ old blog for titles in 2012: http://cartoonworld.blog120.fc2.com/ - almost purely ecchi focused http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/ - occasionally features comparisons - but no consistent search terms or tags - must search tag by Japanese title ex comparisons: - see above for Attack on Titan http://animan.doorblog.jp/ - titled: <title> 第 <ep> 話と第 <ep> 話のTV版とBD版の比較画像 - search for: 比較画像 (comparison image) - or: 比較 (comparison) ex comparison: Non Non Biyori / のんのんびより http://animan.doorblog.jp/archives/39110005.html http://someoneone.blog116.fc2.com/ - titled: <title> 第 <ep> 話・第 <ep> 話TV放送版/BD版の比較まとめ - search for: 比較まとめ (comparison summary) - or: 比較 (comparison) ex comparison: Witch Craft Works / ウィッチクラフトワークス http://someoneone.blog116.fc2.com/blog-entry-7780.html http://someoneone.blog116.fc2.com/blog-entry-8324.html http://otakomu.jp/ http://0taku.livedoor.biz/ (old address) - occasional comparisons - search for 修正 (correction / fix) + まとめ (summary) ex comparisons: Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko / 電波女と青春男 http://otakomu.jp/archives/23622.html http://0taku.livedoor.biz/archives/4023619.html http://blog.livedoor.jp/nylon66 - search for 感想 (review) tag and titles with 感想 (impressions) and "BD" - マンガ・アニメ (manga + anime) tag, but also contains regular TV ep reviews ex. comparisons: Maken-Ki! Two / マケン姫っ! 通 http://blog.livedoor.jp/nylon66/archives/52028768.html http://blog.livedoor.jp/nylon66/archives/52041162.html http://blog.livedoor.jp/nylon66/archives/52058496.html http://animation.blogmura.com/anime_review/ - blog aggregator - search for anime by kana/kanji title Random others I've found: Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu / 乃木坂春香の秘密 http://www.milky.ne.jp/~layx/cgi-bin/sb/log/eid237.html http://www.milky.ne.jp/~layx/cgi-bin/sb/log/eid244.html Shigofumi / シゴフミ http://www.milky.ne.jp/~layx/cgi-bin/sb/log/eid207.html http://www.milky.ne.jp/~layx/cgi-bin/sb/log/eid193.html General google / https://www.google.co.jp search strategy: - keywords: 感想 (review) 感想 (impressions) 修正 (correction / fix) 比較 (comparison) 比較画像 (comparison image) 比較まとめ (comparison summary) title search for comparisons and fixes: ( <title> ) AND (BD OR "blu-ray") AND (修正 OR 比較 OR 比較画像 OR 比較まとめ) broader title search with reviews and impressions (in case above keywords not used in posts): ( <title> ) AND (BD OR "blu-ray") AND (感想 OR 感想 OR 修正 OR 比較 OR 比較画像 OR 比較まとめ) title search at a specific site, add: site:<site> It goes without saying most of these are NSFW. If you know of other sites not listed, please share them too! |
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Blanchimont
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@configspace Thanks
 Sites noted and bookmarked.
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Top Gun
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That'd be Oasis, actually. FUNi was able to get the rights to the song for the first episode, but apparently they would have had to pay for every single instance of it, so they just used some "international version" song for the rest of the series. |
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John Thacker
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Yeah, the only Franz Ferdinand anime example I can think of is "Do You Want To?" being used for the ED for Paradise Kiss, but surprisingly not replaced in the US release. Same for Radiohead's "Paranoid Android" as the ED for Ergo Proxy. So song copyrights are not always an issue, but sometimes they are, as everyone else has chimed in to point out. You never know if the licensing for the Japanese show is transferable to the US release, or if it has to be negotiated separately (and how that will turn out.) In the case of Vandread, I'm not even sure that they actually got the rights to use "What a Wonderful World" for the Japanese release, hence the replacement on the Japanese home video release. |
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HeeroTX
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I know AMERICAN companies that are still using Windows XP (or at LEAST were until it FINALLY got support stopped, when was that? oh yeah THIS YEAR, why did it last so long because NO ONE has liked the succeeding versions). Saying "oh, they're not on Windows 8 (or even Win7 to an extent) is like saying "people that don't have 4k TVs are SOOO low tech". (also, did you ever question if some might be using Macs? I'm not a fan of the platform, but one can EASILY be cutting edge tech without being on the latest version of Windows, altho I'll also note that Microsoft has had a booth at Comiket the last few times I've gone)
If you can definitively name ONE anime studio that doesn't use a computer, please awe me with your research and brilliance. I can name 4 that I have literally WALKED INTO THE OFFICES AND SEEN THE COMPUTERS. I have photographs of at least 2. I commented to one about the cintiqs on hand (since I am a fan of that particular piece of hardware). Gimme one piece of evidence you have any idea what the Japanese ANIME industry is using (rather than wide band articles about the Japanese populace) and then I'll retract my statement that you have no idea what you're talking about. Until then, I stand by my assessment. |
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Nonaka Machine Gun B
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Well, "Oricon does not report international sales" is not equivalent to "Japanese publisher/company doesn't receive my American dollars." |
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gloverrandal
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Indeed. Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it's not supporting the companies. They might just exclude those numbers for the sake of keeping the charts reflective purely of the Japanese market for the sake of investors and other marketing decisions. Makes no sense to give people a false sense of a series popularity then act surprised when no one shows up to an event in Japan that international people can not go to. |
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Cutiebunny
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Mdo7, regrettably, they all use computers now. As someone who enjoys collecting the artwork that these shows produce (the actual layouts, backgrounds, douga, etc.), it saddens me that the amount of artwork available now on Japanese auctions sites is nothing compared to the cel heyday of the 1990s and early 2000s. I know I've said it before, but just because a studio uses computers does not mean that everything is done with computers. HeeroTX nailed it when he said that backgrounds are still largely done by hand. Very true; Studios like Madhouse still use hand painted backgrounds. Many studios also still draw, by hand, the characters on pieces of paper as they did in the old cel days. The only difference now is that the coloring and animating portion are done by computer. But there are still hand drawn layouts, douga and genga sketches floating around from these productions that you can find (and buy) for reasonable prices (like $10) on Japanese auction sites. |
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It wasn't just the opening song. A lot of instrumental versions of sung opening themes for specific characters were cut too, like Bonnie Pink's Ring a Bell from Tales of Vesperia and Alan's Over the Clouds from God Eater Burst. In essence, the U.S. and European version of Project X Zone is really watered down audio-wise with one minor graphical edit (Bruno Delinger's outfit from Deka Dynamite being changed because of some weird fear about the Die Hard movie). |
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Kadmos1
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The people that are able of finding this version comparisons on sites, I thank you.
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eyeresist
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Snomaster1
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I admit that a lot of Japanese voice actors and actresses would probably like to come to America to see this country and come to anime conventions themselves. They probably wouldn't mind an interpreter or two while they're here. In fact,the only two Japanese VAs I know of who know English well are Megumi Hayashibara and Yuki Kaida or Kudo or whatever the heck she's spelling her last name these days.
I'd love to ask either of them if they'd ever want to do an American cartoon if they were at a convention and not just dubbing it into Japanese. |
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Space Butler XIII
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Regarding US vs Japanese home video versions of anime, I have to ask you guys about one particular scene omission which has been bother me for quite literally 10 years.
Did anyone else watch Haibane Renmei when it was being fansubbed? I watched it after it started coming out over here on DVD, so I can't recall if the subs I watched were R2 DVD rips or Japanese TV rips. One really awesome scene I remember from this fansub involves what can only be described as spoiler[a funeral procession for Kuu] that takes place as the credits roll over top. I later rented the R1 DVDs from, and I was immediately taken aback with disappointment over the fact that this scene was omitted from the disc. The episode ends on little more than a simple prayer before the standard ED kicks in. The reason why everyone has their hoods up at the beginning of episode 7 is because of the omitted scene at the end of episode 6. What makes this all the more frustrating for me is that I can't find any footage of this scene on any streaming site anywhere on the internet, save for maybe a single YouTube link that's "not available in [my] country," so it's very hard for me to even so much as prove this scene even exists. I'm probably a little late to be asking these, but: 1) Is this scene present on the FUNimation release of Haibane Renmei? I'm guessing it's not, because FUNi has this episode up on YouTube, and this scene is not there. 2) Is this scene present on the R2 DVD or even the Japanese BD release? 3) Does this scene not actually exist, and I was just imagining things for the past decade? |
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jymmy
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I probably won't be much help, but checking the Japanese BD and Russian DVD releases I have to hand shows a procession preceding the regular ED. It seems to be the same one that's in Funimation's YouTube channel, though I can't open the video to check. |
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Space Butler XIII
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The Pioneer DVDs and FUNi's YouTube channel certainly end the episode you posted, jymmy. The scene which I recall watching so long ago happens after that, and is more ritualistic than just bowing their heads and closing their eyes as Reki looks on. So *if* what I remember actually exists, it would have only been on the broadcast version. But what really stands out in my memory is the fact that it was a scene that played out as the credits were rolling. It could very well be possible that the broadcast version of episode 6 is the same as the DVD but with the credits rolling over the last scene instead of the ED, and that I'm just remembering the scene itself incorrectly. I've been told that episodes were aired in bi-weekly pairs after episode 5, so that might have caused some other changes in the way the episodes aired.
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