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babbo
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at leas you're putting your rhetoric in spoilers now 
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LordRedhand
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Okay your specific question was "Would business care if a product doesn't sell?" Already manga sales are down, continued drops will mean they will not continue carrying as much in store as they used to. This is the same regardless of what the product actually is, I refer to anime DVDs because 1) they are an entertainment medium, like manga and 2) manga and anime do have a closer relationship then say most books versus television series.
Well first I would direct you to here for this fine video play list watch all of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0b8bEaT4I As to PDF downloads, you must not even been doing a basic search on google if you can't find them, they are moving onto just doing scanlations of Japanese titles but also the "American created manga" is also being scanlated to and released for free, with slightly different English, in a PDF format. |
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DomFortress
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loka
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LordRedhand, I can't help but feel a little sad for you if you choose your anime based on reviews and genre type. Aside from author preferences having very low probability of high similarity to oneself, some shows are simply much, MUCH, better seen first hand, without a clue of what to expect- even knowing its genre may spoil it.
Do you think that all the good shows get licensed? Last edited by loka on Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Top Gun
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You know what nine pages of the same old absolute drivel has led me to conclude? It's just about the only thing I can think of that cuts across all sides and lines of this debate: the entire business model of expecting consumers to pay for a television series which they have never seen previously is completely, utterly, and fundamentally flawed. I know that the economic and practical realities of the world have led R1 companies to operate in this manner, but it doesn't make the process any more asinine. Go to your local video store and take a walk up and down the DVD aisles. Nearly every show you see aired somewhere on TV, available for anyone and everyone to see, prior to its release on home video, whether its original broadcast was two or twenty years ago. Even within Japan itself, with its fundamentally different broadcast model, TV premieres of a series are what drive DVD purchases by its fans. Anime is just about the only "genre" (for lack of a better term) out there that expects its fanbase to undertake a significant financial investment in a title that they haven't seen so much as a few minutes of beforehand, an expectation that I view to be completely unreasonable.
There. That is precisely why fansubs and DVD rips of even the most visibly-licensed series continue to proliferate, and why myself and others continue to utilize them in the absence of legal preview methods. Because asking consumers to flip around their entire fundamental viewing habits for a very small portion of the overall home video entertainment market is a tremendously stupid proposition. |
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fighterholic
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Thank you Richard for this. It couldn't have been summarized better. It's also amazing how we can go back and forth over the same conversation, over and over again. Which is why I'm kind of glad I wasn't a major part of the thread. Bottom line is, kids, that downloading illegally doesn't help anybody at all, and like other things it also makes a moral dent on what you think is right and wrong. If there are those that are going to continue to defend fansubs at all costs and those that feel they are not obligated to buy their anime at all, then I would advise these people to take a closer look at their inner selves. It could have a bigger impact on your later life, of which I can say may not be good at all. |
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zhir
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Why would you do that anyway? AL boxsets are about 40 dollars (if you shop around a bit), and $50 is about the norm for the first set (GitS, Mushi-Shi). Even the MSRP won't be over $70 generally. |
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LordRedhand
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No I don't, simple fact that Hakugei the Legend of Moby Dick is terrible and released here means that some stinkers do get licensed. But simply a matter of trust with me, I'll trust a good reviewer or a friend more than some random person on the interwebs. Some series I have bought blind through either sales (price was low, hard to argue under $20 dollars to get a whole series or filler for the 25 for $100 sale that rightstuff had with ADV products come to mind) and some were good and some were really bad. Generally I prefer series with certain themes over others, so with my limited dollars I want a series that has or suggests those themes over other series as that's what I want to be entertained with first. Now if I were to go to another anime fans house and they have a DVD collection and their best series ever is something that doesn't match up with mine, it would be insulting not to sit with them and watch it, however that doesn't mean I have a desire to go out and see/purchase the series on my own. |
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DomFortress
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loka
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well, I asked if you believe that all of the good shows get licensed. What if you were to preview 10 more shows per 'buying session', and end up with the same budget spending for anime but no longer buy shows you regret purchasing. You will spend that money either way, but now you are rewarding the production of only [subjectively->] good shows. |
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DomFortress
Posts: 751 Location: Richmond BC, Canada |
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Warstar77
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Contact every anime industry in japan. If anyone lives in japan tell them to talk to crunchyroll and stream there anime from japan and tell them to put download to own. They will also stream there old anime there as well and think about it if they put there anime on crunchyroll site billions of anime fans will flock to the site watching anime on the site. The money download to own goes to people who make anime in japan and if they do that it will help boost there business and dvd sells and save them from recession and not only that if people who watch it can donate 1 dollar to give companies in japan tp help them. More profit to boot there anime output lol. If they do that we ann on site will try contact everyone in the world whos anime fan and the Anime Industry will sky rocket lol.
ps message me back ok |
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SongstressCela
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Yo. *waves hand* |
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mufurc
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Yeah. God's own truth. My entire collection of anime and manga? Bought them all blind. Fansubs/scanlations had nothing to do with it. Nothing. /irony |
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dragoneyes001
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funny how the lion share of posts are about how fansubs kill sales while ignoring the very clear message that the industry has been screwing the workhorses who do the majority of the animating.
the industry is complaining they are not making the billions of yen they did in 2006 yet even in 2006 the animators were being screwed during the biggest profit periods. yes DVD sales will continue to dwindle in NA because the format is outdated they need to make the money from the anime right at launch that means getting it out fast and either using the crunchyroll format or having advertisers on dedicated streaming sites because the fans wont wait for months and sometimes years for an anime to be released on DVD's not like the japanese companies can't create their own streaming sites. literally cut out the middlemen who have been lining their pockets at the cost of the artists who actually deserve the the profits companies like funimation and ADV ...etc... who buy up the licenses and pretty much leave the artists in the dust if the anime does sell big are doing the industry far more harm by making it so unprofitable to be an animator people are leaving the industry the very people who create their profit which is why I personally wouldn't care if they ended up getting cut right out of the loop by the animators. |
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