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Some Guy
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Here is a direct link to the Lawyer's article. Thus far it has proven very interesting. Amusingly enough, one of the government officials charged with monitoring Handley noted that his computer contained links to this very website.
It is recent too, only 8 days old. http://comipress.com/special/miscellaneous/down-the-slippery-slope-the-crime-of-viewing-manga Looks like I better get rid of my copies of Chobits... Last edited by Some Guy on Wed May 20, 2009 7:22 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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icepick314
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so why did Postal Office raided his package in the first place?
was he on parole or prior sex offender? |
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se37
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I'm starting to dislike the US so much more, I was born and raised here. Each study that states it will move onto something else has another study that it won't happen. Hey I got an idea, lets ban some books now, they talk about young kids being raped and have sex. Lets out right ban those type of books..
How about movies? They show people being killed, does that mean I will want to go out and kill people more now. Oh wait, no it doesn't... the US see's killing people ok. The old saying goes... "Showing a person being shot in the head, a-ok, but show a nipple on TV, scar for life." |
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Some Guy
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Read the article I linked... In response to MUON, here is something from the article I linked pass down from the supreme court:
It makes a little less sense taken out of context, but should be pretty clear. Last edited by Some Guy on Wed May 20, 2009 7:27 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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bleuster
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Hmm... My favorite artists, like Murata, Ryoji, Ryusuke, Takamichi and others have quite a few doujins that I collect. They don't get into the actual sex between two condescending people stuff that I know of, but I've seen a few tasteful nude works they've done. Of course, I don't know that till I get it in my hands and see it myself. If someone wants to call the shots between what's art and what's "obscene" in my collection, I'll be ready and waiting. Until then, I'll anticipate the next doujin Murata has in store, epically after getting All the way Home in the mail today. His best work, yet! |
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Dark Elf Warrior
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I would like to know what manga was seized from this guy. In order for me to make a proper judgement, I wish I knew what kind of manga did he possess? Was it explicit, gratuitous sex images involving minors? Or was it a manga with the regular brief nudity that is common when a character is taking a bath, getting dressed, or bathing in a hot spring? If it is the first part, than okay, the man possesses porn, be it manga, and as that is illegal, I can see why there has been a big deal made. If it is the second part, than they are making a big deal out of nothing.
So a Japanese manga has some nudity in it. In Japan, nudity does not symbolize sex. There are usually three reasons why a character is naked 1) they are taking a bath, or getting ready to, 2) Changing clothes, 3) Or they are going to get embarrassed. Bathing in a hot spring goes back to number 1. But yeah, I wish I knew which manga. Are otaku everywhere going to be in "danger"? |
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Some Guy
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Yes. Along with artists, "regular comic book" readers, and people who accidentally end up on the wrong website. Read the article I linked. Edit: This website could also be added to that list probably. |
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Tempest
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It's pretty obvious that it wasn't casual nudity. Unfortunately information about exactly what was depicted has not been released to the public. -t |
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yblees
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From the court documents:
... I suspect it was explicit enough considering he pleaded guilty to both child porn and obscenity charges. This really muddies the whole situation. Something of a let-down after all the hype about protecting comic book freedom of speech 
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icepick314
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i read that article but still didn't answer why Postal Office went after guy except for the fact that the package came from Japan and they followed the man to his home to find vast collection of Japanese manga... was the package searched just because it came from Japan? |
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stararnold
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It would make sense if handley's possessions were not officially licensed because I don't think the Japanese professional comic authors in the right mind would ever consider exporting child-porno manga to any North American nation, regarding the censorship crisis that's currently take place there. It would ahve to be some sort of a pen pal who delivered to Handley, or at least that's what my perception says.
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stararnold
Posts: 227 Location: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada |
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It would make sense if handley's possessions were not officially/legally licensed because I don't think the Japanese professional comic authors in the right mind would ever consider officially exporting child-porno manga to any North American nation, regarding the censorship crisis that's currently take place there. It would have to be some sort of a pen pal who delivered to Handley, or at least that's what my perception says.
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Some Guy
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When I used to import airsoft guns (also from Japan), it was SOP to make sure that whoever you imported from covered up all US trademarks (IE, Colt Armelite, H&K, etc) and painted at least 1 inch of the tip dayglo orange so that if your package is randomly searched it isnt seized. I would imagine that he was one of those people who was "randomly searched". Edit: The internet seems to suggest that it was some sort of Dojinshi (sp?). |
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kokuryu
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And people wonder why the art world suffers... All of the classics are hidden, banned, deemed pornographic or whatever because of laws like this, and no new artwork can be produced. Stupid laws like this one need to be gotten rid of.
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icepick314
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i'm very concerned the fact that this opens up whole new class of lawsuits for anime fans... myself including, i'm sure many own hentai manga, games, and videos that may or may not "look" like over 18... at least all of the material released by US company has "over 18" claim in the front but who knows even with disclaimer, we won't be charged with possion down the line? even most Japanese dojin has "over 18" disclaimer so i don't get with this lawsuit....i'm HOPING the material he owned did not have such claim or it was pretty obscene even on Japanese standard... so does this mean it's open season to anyone who collects adult materials of adult Japanese animation? this does not look good for many fans including myself.... |
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