Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2009-11-06]
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ikillchicken
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No, not the first part but evidently he as recently contracted some manner of brain STD as Brian mentioned. I do believe it's time for...9 reasons Chris is a fool. An amended version. 9. Complete Stories #9) Berserk, Hellsing, Blood, Twelve Kingdoms, FMP, Inuyasha Tenjho Tenge and many many more. 8. Depth of Character #8) Wait. Did he seriously just mention Evangelion right after talking about complete stories!? I may not agree with Chris but I respect his massive balls. 7. Depth of Story #7) Harems. Which girl will he choose? (Hint. The same one as always). Don't worry though, there will still be plenty of fanservice from the other half dozen walking cliches. #7.2) Filler episodes 6. Relationships Treated Realistically #6) Horribly inaccurate relationships. All girls actually do not all secretly love you and want to make you dinner. (I know, it sucks.) 5. Even When It’s for Children, It’s Not for Children #5) Even when it's for adults, it's still for a bunch of immature children. 4. Adult Animation #4) Tentacle rape porn. Could have done without that 'diversity'. 3. Culture/History Is Important #3) I have no issue with point 3 actually. Le Chevalier D'Eon is indeed a fantastic job of anime utilizing Japanese history. 2. The Budget Is on the Screen #2) "Link." Weird eh? It's almost as if there's a difference in quality between big budget anime movies and weekly TV shows. But don't let that stop you from comparing only the prior to American shows of the latter category. 1. Hayao Miyazaki #1) Hayao Miyazaki apparently does not like to describe his work as 'anime'. Make of that what you will. If that article had simply been called "nine advantages anime often has" or something less definitive I would have found it vastly less silly. After all, he does make a number of legitimate points and these are many of the reasons I like anime. In fact, I don't even entirely disagree that anime can be said to be superior. It's just that he presents this to be anime as a whole while in reality, 95% of anime suffers from the same or different but equally bad problems as other animation. It's just the tiny bit that doesn't which is worthwhile and in my experience, somewhat more abundant than in other animation. |
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Avarice_WP
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 That was a very entertaining response (rant?  ) ikillchicken. Made me laugh several times- I gotta say I agree with most of your points. Still- when you talk about the comparison between american and japanese animation, I would think at least part of that is in reference to the style and design as much as how many fps the show is running in. (I haven't read his article- think ill go do that now, but I gotta say- in general I find american animation ugly and plain. Batman? Spongebob? Aquateen hungerforce? Okay that last one is funny...)
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ninjaclown
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*Gasp* You take back what you said about Batman RIGHT NOW. (I'm not being serious  )
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RedTail
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I guess he doesn't realize that WB contracted Sunrise to animate Batman: TAS. The only scenes that weren't done in Japan were from Bruce Timm's pilot. To further add to that, take a good look at B:TAS and Big O. Notice the similarities? |
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PetrifiedJello
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Nice! I remember seeing this list before, and the first thing I thought of was "This kid never saw 'Batman: The Animated Series' because the comparison list would have failed." Kudos. Loved the headless pic! Brian's response to the irritated reader of the top 10 list also garnered a chuckle or two. Especially where many will turn into shut-ins. |
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adam.skinner
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I think it's disingenuous for an enthusiastic foreigner with over a terrabyte of anime to *NOT* profess that anime is superior to western animation _unless_ they've actively and recently sought equal exposure.
The bottom line is that it's true: anime is better than what's available in the US. The whole paradigm for the content is different! It's like taking some of the best prime time content on the US networks and having them animated. Of course, that doesn't happen in the US because animation is only for plotless slapstick. There are exceptions: fringe material that validates your "but there's good and bad stuff everywhere" statement. But when we make judgement calls of this industry as a whole, it's clear which is better. So don't bust on some guy who made some salient arguments as to *why* anime is different from, and better than, western animation. It's absurd to liken him to an immature fanboy troll. |
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Haterater
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Well he could have said it better. A beef I have was that he was doing it as a whole. There are plenty on both sides to disprove his list. This usually tells me this person didn't spend much time watching Western animation.
Maybe I would believe him better if he said "9 Reasons Why Anime is Superior to Western Animation Currently/of Today" or what not. But I'm sure there is at least one Western show that would still disprove his list. I would love to see more Gargoyles and such shows on TV right now. I miss those days and hope there's more coming later on, but I doubt these days. |
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ikillchicken
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I believe what you meant to say was "it's disingenuous to profess that anime is superior when you've not sought equal exposure" cause until you've at least made some effort to do that, you're kind of talking out your bum. (By the way, I think you'll find people don't take you very seriously around here when you express your anime expertise in bytes.)
Now see this is why I said what I did above. If you had actually watched an equal amount of other animation you'd realize this statement is completely untrue and you could have avoided looking foolish.
Brain wasn't actually referring to the article in particular. He assumed it was just some generic nobody blogger. (Fairly reasonable considering this is usually the only type who would actually write something as silly as a 'why anime is superior' article.) Evidently, Carl is not a 'fanboy troll'. I do think what he wrote in this particular case is rather foolish though and I see no reason it shouldn't be criticized. Especially since as I mentioned before, the bulk of his reasons are more often than not, totally wrong. The bottom line and what makes claiming anime to be superior ultimately silly is that it just doesn't matter. The only reason someone has to push this whole notion of which is better is that they are a fanboy who feels the need to assert his fandom's superiority. In the end no matter the medium there are notable works, terrible works, pros, cons, good and bad. It's silly to argue over which has a higher number or percentage of quality. |
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ZeroGee
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Did the internet kill the anime star? Or just the recession and the cost of production and dubbing?
It's not so much that new anime is getting rare, but new animated anything. Nickelodian is mostly the Spongebob channel as well as CN and Disney showing repete after repete of it's most lackluster cartoons. No wonder people turn to the internet for their anime fix. |
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vashfanatic
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The problem with any list comparing all anime to all American cartoons is that, well, that's a lot of stuff to be making generalizations about. Sure, Gankutsuou is vastly superior to Spongebob Squarepants for the reasons he just listed, but Batman: The Animated Series is vastly better than... well, 90% of all anime for the exact same reasons. That list (setting aside Hayao Miyazaki) is just the standard to just whether anything is good - be it a live action TV series, a movie, a play, a book, an anime series, an American cartoon series, what have you. And the same goes for manga and English-language comic books/graphic novels. "Manga," as a lump category, is not necessarily better than "American comic books" as a lump category.
Now, I would argue that what anime has that American animation does not is a greater level of diversity (this does not apply to comic books, which have a lot of diversity). In the USA, things generally fall into "child-friendly" and "adult comedies." You wouldn't have a historical-drama like Chevalier D'Eon made in America, or an epic space opera like Legend of the Galactic Heroes. You wouldn't have crappy harem retreads either, mind you, but you get the idea. We've boxed ourselves in too much over here, and that really ought to change. As for the question... it depends. I think I'm going to write a response for this one and see whether I get posted. |
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Mohawk52
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 I wouldn't call him a "dumb baby" . A fat bloke maybe, but not a dumb baby.
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Josh7289
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Ah, well that's a new side of Chris for me. Looks like I have less of a reason to head over to Anime on D... Mania.com now. And for the Answerfans question, I prefer to go through series slowly. It gives me time to think about things, get to know the characters and story better, and altogether let stuff sink in before I move on. |
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nagato316
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While I realize that knocking US animation as inferior is naive and narrow-minded (Batman: TAS being a primary reason why), I wonder what percentage of that hating by die-hard otaku is more a response reflecting how impressed otaku are by anime's overwhelming breadth and depth of diversity--genres and subjects covered by anime but not by most domestic animated productions--that vashfanatic mentioned above. In other words, while I have to take people at their word regarding the sharpness of South Park and much of the Seth McFarlane catalog (I have to abstain from expressing opinion here as the type of humor that characterizes those series is not my particular cup of Earl Gray, so I obviously choose not to watch), I can't help but ask... Where's America's Nausicaa? Or some animated dramatic equivalent thereof? Other than the unfortunate reality that, long story short, it's not seen as profitable (i.e. how many toys can we sell from this?), _that_ would be a valid question for otaku to pose. Regarding the question of "take your time or marathon a series?", I'd say it depends on the series. Even though boxsets now make instant gratification possible in terms of binging on a series, I still make some effort to at least stretch out enjoyment of a series to several days...for example, 1 1/2-2 weeks for a 26 ep series. If I find a series particularly tightly paced and the "can't put it down" effect kicks in, the pace will go considerably faster. But I still make an effort to spread out my enjoyment of a series over a (somewhat) longer period of time. Otherwise, the regret of wrapping up an awesome series too briskly--"Damn that was awesome...but it's over already?"--and not being able to just take it in leisurely stings pretty intensely. That anticipation that Japanese viewers have watching one installment per week of a great series that's currently running on TV is something we stateside anime viewers often take for granted. I feel that anticipation can add to the viewing experience, making said viewing that more rewarding. |
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Stretch24
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Tenchi wrote:
I agree. I read Beveridge's article and each reason was well thought-out and would be difficult, if not impossible, to disprove. Yet the forum commentators there jumped all over him without offering any intelligent reasons why anime wouldn't be superior. |
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Tenchi
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I would agree with Chris more if the title of the piece had been something more like "9 Advantages of Anime (in Broad Generalizations)" without feeling the need to demean western animation in the title. Every point he makes has some degree of validity, but there are always exceptions on both sides of the Pacific puddle (like how, although plenty of anime do have overarching storylines, most of the slice-of-life comedies I enjoy are basically just as episodic as King of the Hill).
Yes. I hadn't checked up on his Grantics lately. The last thing I saw before last night was some speech at a British con about him being a "gopher". |
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