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NEWS: Funimation Starts Initiative for Co-Producing Anime


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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:02 am Reply with quote
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I, for one, am incredibly excited about this. I think it's a good move on Funi's part, as well as Japanese anime studios. I'm pretty sure that the Japanese realize that they have a major fanbase in dozens of western countries and producing anime with a popular American anime distributor would help them enlarge that fanbase. (that's for the crazy self-hating American otakus out there).


Actually for the Japanese side its a bad decision. They lose money on those ventures.

another forum wrote:


KARAS (OVA) (Tatsunoko Production)
2009/10/28 *1,403 Full Episode Edition (Six OVA episodes)

Kurokami The Animation ***360 (6+) (Sunrise/Bandai Entertainment)
2009/05/26 **,*** Vol. 1 (Three episodes up to current volume)
2009/06/26 **,*** Vol. 2
2009/07/24 **,*** Vol. 3
2009/08/25 ***374 Vol. 4 Limited Edition
2009/09/25 ***324 Vol. 5
2009/10/27 ***381 Vol. 6


*No data for Dead Leaves, Kite Liberator or original Karas or Strait Jacket releases.

Then we get releases like Kurokami, Karas and Strait Jacket which are crippled in either on Japanese subtitle track or no release in its original format prob due to reverse importation fears due to them selling poorly in their own country. Karas and Strait Jacket got an OVA release in Japan. US and UK got the international version (compilation movie version). Well, Kurokami's BD release has been talked about before.


What these guys are hoping for is another Witchblade or Devil May Cry at the very least. US property adaptations that get a decent income in Japan also.

another forum wrote:

Witchblade *2,580 (8) (Gonzo/FUNimation)
2006/07/26 *3,538 Vol. 1 (Three episodes up to Vol. 8)
2006/08/23 *2,985 Vol. 2
2006/09/27 *2,845 Vol. 3
2006/10/25 *1,764 Vol. 4
2006/11/22 *2,341 Vol. 5
2006/12/20 **,*** Vol. 6
2007/01/24 *2,263 Vol. 7
2007/02/28 *2,325 Vol. 8

Devil May Cry *1,723 (6) (Madhouse/ADV Films)
2007/09/21 *1,896 Vol. 1 (Two episodes up to Vol. 6)
2007/10/25 *1,852 Vol. 2
2007/11/22 *1,728 Vol. 3
2007/12/21 **,*** Vol. 4
2008/01/25 *1,656 Vol. 5
2008/02/22 *1,482 Vol. 6


But these titles aren't making pockets full of money like Kanon or Code Geass

another forum wrote:

Kanon (2006) 18,399 (8, not including Prelude) (Kyoto Animation/ADV Films)
2006/08/25 13,174 Prelude
2007/01/01 20,097 Vol. 1 (Three episodes up to Vol. 8)
2007/02/21 19,609 Vol. 2
2007/03/07 18,540 Vol. 3
2007/04/04 17,966 Vol. 4
2007/05/02 17,371 Vol. 5
2007/06/06 16,648 Vol. 6
2007/07/04 17,693 Vol. 7
2007/08/01 17,438 Vol. 8

Code Geass -Lelouch of the Rebellion (Code Geass Hangyaku no Lelouch) 45,367+*5,185=50,552 (9, not including Fan Discs and recap) (Sunrise/Bandai Entertainment)
2007/01/26 62,527 Vol. 01 (One episode)
2008/08/22 *6,294 Vol. 01
2007/02/23 52,702 Vol. 02 (Three episodes up to Vol. 09)
2008/09/26 *5,303 Vol. 02
2007/03/23 47,710 Vol. 03
2008/10/24 *4,704 Vol. 03
2007/04/25 43,106 Vol. 04
2008/11/21 *4,439 Vol. 04
2007/05/25 41,132 Vol. 05
2007/06/22 40,453 Vol. 06
2007/07/27 39,643 Vol. 07
2007/08/24 38,783 Vol. 08
2007/09/25 42,249 Vol. 09
2007/12/21 14,815 DVD Magazine I (Fan Disc)
2008/01/25 12,890 DVD Magazine II (Fan Disc)
2008/02/22 *8,342 SPECIAL EDITION BLACK REBELLION (recap)
2009/07/24 *2,090 SPECIAL EDITION BLACK REBELLION (recap)


I'd expect a pound of flesh to be taken off the US distributor who enters into such a business venture given the track record of sales of such ventures in Japan.
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rep21



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:00 am Reply with quote
The Count wrote:
rep21 wrote:


Afro Samurai was actually based on a manga by Takashi Okazaki that came out years ago, and not an American property at all. I'm not sure why it would fit more with the so called "MTV viewer" rather than the average anime fan, i mean it had Music by The RZA in it. Most MTV fans today wouldn't even know who that is if you asked them. I'm willing to bet that most of the sales of Afro Samurai did in fact come from anime fans who maybe like myself are probably fans of the RZA, Samurai's and action in general.

While Afro Samurai is far from the best, it is also far from being a crap fest.( i think that term fits anime like K-ON more than AS to be honest) The fact that it wasn't as good as it could have been has more to do with the fact that they let Gonzo animate it instead of MADHOUSE. If this promo is any indication it would have been superior to the Gonzo version in every way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJ4vDlFAPA
Thank you rep21, finally an anime fan here like myself who isn't going along with the "trendy" lets bash Afro Samurai. To be honest I've thought AS was solidly animated by Gonzo, but MADHOUSE is by far my favorite anime studio and after seeing that promo I can only dream of what could have been.


Yeah i don't mean to seem like i am downing Gonzo, they did do a solid job. I just think Madhouse would have done a much better job on AS. I did enjoy Gonzo's version though and i own the series and movie on Blu ray.
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ReiClone88



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:19 pm Reply with quote
Wait a second, The Hobbit was animated by the Japanese?

I remember the animated adaptation of The Hobbit was one of my favorite movies when I was little...
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samuelp
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:57 pm Reply with quote
ReiClone88 wrote:
Wait a second, The Hobbit was animated by the Japanese?

I remember the animated adaptation of The Hobbit was one of my favorite movies when I was little...


Ghibli, in fact. Or rather, by a couple of artists from Ghibli I think.
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dentedonion



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:04 pm Reply with quote
Sad Please Funi, whatever you do don't make lousy shows. For the love of all things geeky and awesome just...please. >_>
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Tyrenol



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:17 pm Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
Actually for the Japanese side its a bad decision. They lose money on those ventures. (And other stuff being said...)


Assuming that we are only talking about how well shows like these do in Japan. Where's your AMERICAN / Westerner statistics at?

I mean... The Anime Videoscan pops up whenever someone from the top has money to fling at the Nielson... You may see Code Geass... ...somewhere 9th or 10th with every popular shounen title on top of them. But you don't see any Kanon.

I'm not too into MILFBlade, DevilMayCry, or Afro Samurai; but they did better in the US than shows like Kanon.

And the second update to this? What would this mean in the end? Will FUNi help Japan shove their ideas about how young guys should suck or not exist down every non-otaku's throats? Sad
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ninjaclown



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:45 pm Reply with quote
I for one am quite excited about this. A lot of cool non-Japanese franchises might get a new face lift from this deal.
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Reibooi



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:05 pm Reply with quote
Personally I don't want to see this happen. There are a few reasons. Some legitimate and others not to much.

Firstly is that very very few properties from the US would mesh well into the anime medium. Witchblade worked but it was the exception to the rule. Look at the stuff like Dead Spaces little thing it was horrible.

The other thing is if this does happen and takes off then alot of the anime studios will be making shows based on US properties instead of adapting things that real anime fans want like Manga, Light Novels, Visual Novels and even original anime.

And last but not least the vast majority of these properties are gonna fail horribly in Japan even if they do well in the US. They need to succeed in both markets to be bothered with and they won't. Why would Japanese companies make stuff that's gonna give them no profit in the end?
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Arcwave



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:22 pm Reply with quote
They better pick up THE FLIGHT OF DRAGONS...
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Arcwave



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:25 pm Reply with quote
ReiClone88 wrote:
Wait a second, The Hobbit was animated by the Japanese?

I remember the animated adaptation of The Hobbit was one of my favorite movies when I was little...


It was animated by STUDIO TOPCRAFT, commissioned by Rankin/Bass. Many key animators later moved on to companies such as GHIBLI, GAINAX, and many others.
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The Count



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:34 pm Reply with quote
Reibooi wrote:
Personally I don't want to see this happen. There are a few reasons. Some legitimate and others not to much.

Firstly is that very very few properties from the US would mesh well into the anime medium. Witchblade worked but it was the exception to the rule. Look at the stuff like Dead Spaces little thing it was horrible.

The other thing is if this does happen and takes off then alot of the anime studios will be making shows based on US properties instead of adapting things that real anime fans want like Manga, Light Novels, Visual Novels and even original anime.

And last but not least the vast majority of these properties are gonna fail horribly in Japan even if they do well in the US. They need to succeed in both markets to be bothered with and they won't. Why would Japanese companies make stuff that's gonna give them no profit in the end?
A lot of theories and no facts in your statment. First off doesn't your second and third examples contradict each other? I thought Hellsing and Trigun were examples of successful anime shows that didn't fare well in Japan. I'd also like to know how many copies of Afro Samurai sold in Japan. As for what will mesh in an anime style, well that's just your personal taste as to what you would find acceptable, but no one anime fan speaks for us all.
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Fronzel



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:49 pm Reply with quote
care2care wrote:
Despite the heavy backlash by Japanophiles everywhere, OEL manga is actually pretty good

That's a bit hasty. Some of it is downright sub-professional.

I wouldn't mind seeing Riding Shotgun animated, though.
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crilix



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:08 pm Reply with quote
Reibooi wrote:
Firstly is that very very few properties from the US would mesh well into the anime medium.
I get what you're saying but as soon as people start calling Japanese-produced animation "anime" without taking primary audiences in mind, the term will lose its original meaning.
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Why would Japanese companies make stuff that's gonna give them no profit in the end?
I'm quite certain that in order to bring in Japanese studios the American industry will have to show that it's willing to pay more to these studios than the Japanese industry itself.

Personally, I think this is the beginning of anime losing its identity. If Funimation has any respect for the medium it's localizing, then they should call their original content something else than "anime."
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:12 pm Reply with quote
Reibooi wrote:
Personally I don't want to see this happen. There are a few reasons. Some legitimate and others not to much.

Firstly is that very very few properties from the US would mesh well into the anime medium. Witchblade worked but it was the exception to the rule. Look at the stuff like Dead Spaces little thing it was horrible.

The other thing is if this does happen and takes off then alot of the anime studios will be making shows based on US properties instead of adapting things that real anime fans want like Manga, Light Novels, Visual Novels and even original anime.

And last but not least the vast majority of these properties are gonna fail horribly in Japan even if they do well in the US. They need to succeed in both markets to be bothered with and they won't. Why would Japanese companies make stuff that's gonna give them no profit in the end?


Why do you people keep assuming these are just going to fail, because they're NOT Japanese property. Yeah they probably won't all pass with flying colors but who says they will fail just because they're western? Simply because all of America's animation is mediocre now? How do you know they won't deliver profit? I mean look at Howl's Moving Castle, or Ponyo for example, not 100% Japanese stories like say Spirited Away but both did very well.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Power Puff Girls Z? Where did that go?
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