Forum - View topicNEWS: 4Kids Reports US$3.5-Million Loss in 1st Quarter 2010
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NJ_
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4Kids had nothing to do with Digimon. The seasons you mentioned were dubbed by Saban. |
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Fronzel
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Was it 4kids that did Digimon? I thought it was someone else. Regardless, they weren't bad at all, with the exception of the second series. They sometimes added jokes when it wasn't appropriate (the uncontrolled use of which hurt the second series. although it wasn't very good to begin with) and the scripts were often too chatty, but the quality of the series came through that, especially in Tamers, which is really excellent for a kiddie magical pet action show. If they wanted to, I'm sure they could have put a different spin on spoiler[ Leomon's death, the most outright horrible thing that happened in that series,] to soften it, but they didn't. Heck, I thought the addition of more humor, some of it sarcastic and self-referential, improved the first series, which is just a silly aimless adventure show. The new orchestral score was awesome, too. |
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Myaow
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I'm glad that no such thing exists then, so that you can be with us today.
Fans of 4kids properties are in the habit of making a mountain out of every edit that they perform on their products and declaring everything a "ruin", but they have done some legitimately horrible jobs. Aside from the totally disastrous One Piece dub, many fans think that the new Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds was handled much worse than the rest of the Yu-Gi-Oh series, since the very heavy presence of death and dark stuff was erased in the 4kids version, leaving the story feeling much more disjointed and weird than it needed to. (This is just hearsay; I haven't seen the new show cut or uncut.) Shaman King seems to suffer from a lot of the same problems. Basically, whenever they work on something that is particularly violent or frightening, they don't do a very good job of putting fig leaves over it. |
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Daimao Raki
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kawaiibunny3
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Problem though, 4kids never touched Digimon. That was Saban's doing. Maybe a few Saban employees transferred over to 4kids over the years, but uh.... I loved Digimon as a kid, loved it more than you can imagine. I still like watching Saban's dub, both because of nostalgia and because its actually kindof funny 
And I still to this day love the medium of anime (heck, I'm in art school because of it), and I can thank Sailor Moon, Pokemon, and Digimon for that. |
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Myaow
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Yeah, holy childhood trifecta! Come to think of it, I bet a lot of us who were young during the 90s and got into Pokemon have 4kids to thank for our first taste of anime. "Butcheries" like its Pokemon dub and DiC's sendup of Sailor Moon were what got a lot of people into anime in the first place. Also Saban's Digimon dub was great stuff, guys. Seriously. |
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phoenixphire24
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When I watched these shows as a kid I had no idea that they were even edited! It wasn't until I re-watched them years later in college that I realized what had been done. Watching Cardcaptor Sakura was quite a shock, lol. |
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ShindoW
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Same here. I started with Pokemon (not even realizing it was Japanese until I was well into Digimon which had, really, just necessary edits until they made the jokes go up in Zero Two. I've seen both dub and uncut subs and I love both). Unfortunetly I missed out on Sailor Moon because our cable didn't have Cartoon Network. I'm upset I missed out and went back to get the uncut elsewhere. I need to complete it since I only saw up to ep 40 or so and I don't even like shoujo, much less series that go on for 30+ episodes. It seems the trend in editing out the Japanese references (rice balls = donuts, anyone?) has declined, so maybe they're edits in that department wont be so bad. 
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DmonHiro
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Hold on, if 4Kids didn't do Digimon, then who did?
Ohhh...it was Saban. My mistake. |
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Hannish Lightning
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The One Piece edits weren't even 4kid's fault. Toei was the one who told them to make all those changes because their reasoning was if DBZ,when it first aired, had a lot edits to it and that became a phenomenal success then doing the same thing to OP would have the same results.
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jr240483
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No. It'll bring in a new generation of dub haters and sub only prusuits. i hope that third pary takes them over and fast. |
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Emma Iveli
Posts: 679 Location: Hobo with internet |
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I guess they failed to take into account the fans that had already developed a liking of One Piece and that thanks to the Internet fansubs were more assessable than when DBZ got dubbed. |
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sirkoala13
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Exactly! When I saw that sentence, I was elated. Yes! The cycle of anime popularity in the west has come back around to rise once again! With luck, that 3rd party will keep 4kids from changing it around too much.
Definitely. It's a good thing 4sight's coming. I once said we might need anime for the little kiddies to watch when they grow out of 4kids. Last edited by sirkoala13 on Tue May 11, 2010 1:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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tuxedocat
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What I have read about the partnerships involved with the release of Dragon Ball Z Kai has me very curious about how 4Kids plans to release these titles. Funimation is doing the dubs for Dragon Ball Z Kai, and I believe that since they have all the DVD authoring capabilities in-house, 4Kids may, possibly, be outsourcing some of the DVD authoring and distribution to Funimation. (?)
If so, the dubs for shows going forward could be quite good, and the DVD releases could include un-cut versions. I'm hoping that Zac and Justin could have the Funimation guys back on a future ANNCast to maybe explain what kind of partnership or outsourcing deal they have with 4Kids on the Dragon Ball Z Kai deal, and if this is how DVD authoring will go down on future 4Kids properties. |
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sailorsean
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Me too, actually I thought I would be the only one that was...
I completely agree with all you your points here... and it does make me cringe that sometimes that people like to hate 4Kids when in reality they could just watch the original Japanese version anytime they want... However I am wary of this... the Saturday morning line-ups just aren't popular anymore as they used to be... Just as One Saturday Morning is gone, I believe this too will be gone, I'm not saying immediately though however I suspect within the next 5 or so years the whole Saturday morning cartoon line-ups will be completely gone... or not, hey I don't know the future! Anyways, Toonami had an advantage because it showed right after school on the weekdays... However that isn't the case now-a-days... be it a good or bad thing, this generation of kids simply don't watch as much television as the last... maybe because of the lack of interesting shows? 
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