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_Scythe_
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Wish I knew what Death of the Author was 
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YotaruVegeta
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It's Roland Barthe's theory that the author and his work are separate from one another and the author's life or influences shouldn't be taken into consideration. ( I bet I screwed that up somehow)
I certainly don't believe that. |
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firehawk12
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On the flip side, utter devotion to authorial intent is just as untenable a position to take. Certainly when authors make a point out of "trolling" their readers.
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agila61
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We most certainly can and should do both: "strategic" does not mean "we don't need anything but that". |
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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You shouldn't take either extreme when it comes to how an author came up with his work.
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Ornette
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It's also important to remember that in the context of Evangelion, the "Author"'s own statements require much interpretation, considering that over the course of the 15+ years of (very little) written statements and interview transcripts from Hideaki Anno related to the show, he seemingly contradicts himself and is mostly vague and cryptic. His staff however, has more statements, that also seemingly contradict each other and require a bit of interpretation just to make it jive together. There's also a lot of supplemental materials, like episode drafts, unused scenes, storyboards, theatrical programs, the NGE2 game's CI, etc. that still don't completely agree with each other (or in some cases, even with itself). Throw into the mix that these statements are almost always in Japanese, and sometimes one translation seems to imply something another translation doesn't.
This isn't really a clear case of a death (or not) of said author. It's not to say that there aren't statements that leave little room for interpretation (e.g. origins of the characters names) that are pretty explicit. The Tsurumaki statement given at the 2001 Otakon interview is that "There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool." Is he saying that there is zero meaning whatsoever in the visual symbols? Or is he saying that there is simply no "Christian" (or religious in general) meaning? Some people think it's the former and some the latter. Last edited by Ornette on Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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HeeroTX
Posts: 2046 Location: Austin, TX |
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Wow.... so, when I was between the 30min and 45min marks and reading the forum, I was like "WTF is everybody arguing Evangelion in here, there's this interesting discussion on anime fandom that is going untouched". But then, you hit the back half of the thing and ... yikes.
OK, so _V_, one thing here. You're a Lord of the Rings fan, cool, so is my wife, but you're bringing WAAAAYYYYY too much baggage to this discussion. Honestly, with half an hour to go in the conversation I was thinking, you could take Zac's audio out of the thing and a person might wonder if this was a discussion about Evangelion or "Lord of the Rings". _V_, you are OBVIOUSLY a literary fan, PROBABLY an overly academic, literary fan. I'd suggest to you that more than 90% of anime fandom are NOT literary/academic fans, heck I'd suggest probably 98% of anime fandom are not those fans. And just trying to "clearly explain" things isn't going to MAKE them literary fans. That's the discussion that makes "mainstream" people think "anime is for nerds", and then they go back to waving their glowsticks and veg'ing out playing Halo. I agree with your 90s era comics industry analogy, but I think you drew the wrong conclusion there. Anime had it's fad years and now the fad is something else. |
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Unholy_Nny
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I would say the opposite. If I interpret something one way and someone says "No, you're wrong" they're more likely to whip out "The author said..." instead of debating using material from within the work. Art is subjective. Saying "No, I meant..." removes the subjectivity. I would debate that this sudden lack of subjectivity makes the work of art solely a product of consumption. A painting is only a pretty drawing when there is only a single solid interpretation enforced by the painter. |
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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By the way, I'm glad I'm not the level of fan that feels compelled to "do the research" I love anime, but people have basically made a second job out of pouring over things like Eva and Yamato. Good for them, but not me.
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zrdb
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After about 45 minutes of listening to that V guy I stopped-it was like listening to funeral durge. What is his problem? Anime isn't classical liiterature or masterpiece theater-it's popular entertainment. I watch it to be entertained-same reason I read a good book.
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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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To be fair to V, anime isn't all explosions and mindlessness either.
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bahamut623
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You can definitely go too far in both extremes, which is not good, but I really REALLY dislike this "Did Not Do the Research" idea. Don't you think that if you can't process a work of art/literature without "research, " that work has utterly failed? Context can be important, but the work should be able to speak for itself. Why bother consuming the work in the first place? It's like buying a puzzle only to have the person who made it solve it for you. |
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luffypirate
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It happened once so it could happen again. I'm guessing it did sell for them because half of those DVD's are damn hard to find. I'd buy an R1 release of The Inspector day one. |
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grooven
Posts: 1424 Location: Canada |
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Oh wow that would be so cool to take people on tours! I would love to work for them! Having been there many times it would be really neat! I wish they were recruiting or something
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dtm42
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I don't think your analogy is quite right. Context isn't solving a puzzle for you, it is merely stating what sort of a puzzle it is. And I get sad when people read Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince and think the author was a ruthless guy, when in fact the treatise was a work of satire. You've got to have context. |
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