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fighterholic
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It's actually volume 14. Berserk I felt was a great series, but the end killed it. That's why in my anime I rated it Very Good. Rumor has it however, in Japan that they will make a second season once the manga finishes it's run. Probably so that they won't kill it like season 1. Don't ask me to confirm because I only have the word of people I know in Japan. Though it's several people who know about this. |
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Deltakiral
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Here my personal feeling about Berserk,
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blizeH
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"But even a boring conclusion is better than no conclusion at all... in anime form I mean."
Very nicely put, these are my sentiments too. I can completely see where they were coming from with the ending, it had huge potential to be very dramatic and powerful, but unfortunately, the moment they reached hell I completely lost interest, like I said, characters who I previously cared for that died, I really didn't care for anymore since you just knew they didn't stand a chance, they were in hell after all! As Deltakiral mentioned, I feel it would of been far more effective/moving if they had ended the anime when he impales himself onto the rock and dies. I've barely no interest in reading manga, but I am very tempted to give it a shit just this once because I really want to see how the story develops, but if there's even the slimest chance that they'll carry on with the anime, then I'll probably hold out. spoiler[This forum's really cool by the way, it's great to have an intelligent discussion for once about anime!] |
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joel_s95387
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As much as I would love a beautiful conclusion to a series, if there are no plans to ever make one (Berserk, Bastard!! and Ninja Ressurrection), would be the only time I would accept my own quote. This is site is loved by those who hate the "DBZ is the bestesest!!111" as the a counter-argument to you claiming that another series is good. I'm lucky enough to have friends like these people I meet on this forum in real life. I used to be alone in liking anime when I was in High School, but I met different people who liked it in College and at work. Now I have friends who I can discuss anime without hearing the above quote. |
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Zalis116
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I agree with a lot of what Deltakiral said--it was a great and well-executed story for 22 or 23 episodes, but then it became an anime that would have been better served by fewer instead of more episodes. (Btw, that's "coup d'etat," French for "Hit of State," AKA the violent overthrow of a government) I'm aware that there is more to it in the manga, and I might set out to read it one day, but for the time being, I gave Berserk a So-So rating and moved on. The majority of the series isn't "so-so," and I'm usually not put off by "bad" endings, but in this case, the ending managed to cancel out and render pointless most of the developments and events that had come along the way. I'm glad I watched the series, as it's a pretty important entry in the violence/fantasy genre, but for the time being, I'm pretty dissatisfied. Normally, I don't find it hard to get emotionally attached to characters to the point where I cry over their sufferings & losses, but it just didn't happen with Berserk.
It would be interesting to have a second season, but at the same time, I kind of don't want it; Bersek excelled with its hand-drawn, minimalist art, and using today's flashy CG would really alter the "feel" of the series. And, I can just imagine the fateful reunion: Guts: Hey, Grifith, when I said that Casca looked like she wanted you to baste her like a turkey, that wasn't quite what I had in mind... |
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Steve Berry
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It's interesting, all these posts, because they're pretty different from most of the "dissenting discussions" re: Berserk that we get here. I guess the community is larger than I thought. I've always felt like the arguement against the show was that it stopped too early, and that people wished they could see how Guts got out of that predicament, and whether Casca lived or not. While I've always felt ok with the ending myself, I could understand the arguement-- Berserk doesn't really follow many of the basic guidelines of Western storytelling-- i.e rise to a climax, have a coda, etc.
However, the idea that someone would have completely preferred the show to have ended before spoiler[the Eclipse] is new to me. I dunno-- that aspect of the supernatural is just sort of basic to the plot, and what the spoiler[Eclipse] means-- namely, spoiler[Griffith's betrayal]-- I don't really see how that would've come across so strongly otherwise. It would have been tragic, if the show had ended with the lake and the behelit, or Griffith and the stone, but that also would have been more about spoiler[hubris than betrayal (of oneself as well as others)]. Which I guess would have been a fine ending-- it's just thematically a very different show. For me, watching Berserk is essentially Shakespearian-- that's why I love it. Talk about a Hamlet style bloodbath-- there are bodies everywhere (or not, exactly, heh heh). Plus, with the set up of the 1st ep, you know that you're watching a train wreck. The show always reminded me of Othello, to a certain extent (largely Griffith's story), but the ending is so horrific, it has it's own feel-- it's about the price people are willing to pay for ambition, and what it does to everyone-- themselves, as well as those around them. I guess I always appreciated the ending because it was such a vivid, surreal, graphic representation of what it means spoiler[to be betrayed]. It was truly horrific to me-- both dreamlike and otherwordly, and yet also-- it truly shocked and saddened me. That, to me, isn't something to lightly push aside as a viewing experience. I may have had issues with it, but it's a very very rare thing to feel so viscerally that sort of anger and horror. That's always been very impressive to me-- as an artistic statement or experience. I often think that's why the show was made to end where it does-- to provide a coda would have lessened the effect of the last 2-3 eps. Instead, you're left there, to dwell on what spoiler[Griffith ]really just did. To remove the last 3 eps is to take out the final major pieces of character development (for those who make it)-- they seal the deal to me. Plus, if you really feel like you're watching, in re: to structure, a noir style film, the ending wont tie into the beginning without the final few eps (and, well, this is where others often wish the show's plot line went just a little farther). Of course, the supernatural aspects of the story never bothered me, as I felt they were well done, metaphorically interesting, and truly original-- often in thought as well as design. But for a person who doesn't care for that (the supernatural), I could see how that might've been a big turn off. Plus, if you're not into the "ending tying into the beginning" sort of structure of the show, that wouldn't matter much either. Still, the last few eps really do seem essential to me in re: to character development-- I just don't see how you can get around that..... The crisis that the Band of the Hawk is facing around ep 20 just doesn't mean as much to me without actually seeing the fall out from everyone's decisions. |
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blizeH
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spoiler[Once again, many thanks for the replies, really appreciate it!]
... and you've certainly all gave me something to think about too! The more I reflect on the events that happened during the closing two episodes of the anime, the more it made sense to include them. The focus was on not just spoiler[how ambition can destroy you], but also on spoiler[betrayal and greed] too. In it's defence, I've never had the urge to really re-watch any anime before, but with this one I'm seriously considering it, and I've no doubt I'll watch it sometime in the forseeable future, simply becuase it'll be great to watch it all again knowing exactly what happens, and to look out for any references or clues as to what's coming next. |
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LightYagami
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Personally I'd say to stick with Manga. For example, spoiler[Puck, SkullKnight and Wylad are not in the anime at all]. Volume 11 of Berserk was not included in the anime. Here's what happens spoiler[during and after the eclipse ] in the Manga spoiler[Griffth becomes the fifth member of the God's Hand (Femto) then Femto rapes Casca who is pregnant with Gut's child after which skullknight comes in and saves guts, casca, and whats his name. After they escape and when everyone comes through Guts finds out that he lost one of his eyes and part of his arm and that Casca has become retarded because of femtos raping]. Hence beginning the spoiler[Retribution arc]. If I made an error or missed out on some details please feel free to correct myself.
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Steve Berry
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I might have used a few different words rather than "retarded", and the kids name is Rickert, but yeah, that's pretty much the real basics of what occurs.
Re: cuts made from the manga for the anime-- As always, I'll just say that I think there are times Miura could use an editor, and volume 11 was one of the, IMO-- I never cared for the Wyald apostle fight, and the endless shots of Casca t and a, while screaming for help (and endlessly repeated motif with Miura over the last 10 volumes or so), and I didn't care for the assassins that are sent after the rescue party in the tunnels-- largely filler to me, with a few points of minor interest. But as the anime showed-- it was cut, and the story still flowed along fine. I never felt like I was missing anything important. Also, there was never much reason to include Puck if you weren't going to animate past the Eclipse for the show. I still think it'd be very easy to introduce his character if they were to do a 2nd season. The only biggee is that I would have liked to have had them introduce Skullknight-- I think that would have made a difference. |
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unhealthyman
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I'm watching (just over halfway through,) at the moment, and for some strange reason I am transfixed as well. I quite like the medieval fantasy kinda setting, but Berserk at first seemed to be a rather dumb hack 'n' slash (I guess it kinda is,) but something else is going on that just keeps me watching.
Awesome (though ultra-cheesy,) soundtrack as well... Out of interest, after I have seen the (apparently,) very dissapointing ending to the anime, would it be recommended for me to start the manga from the start or could I get away with skipping some? I'm midway through a lot of different manga, and so trudging through 15 volumes of Berserk that I already roughly know is not high on my list of priorities. |
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fighterholic
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They have to bring in the Skull Knight because spoiler[he's Emperor Gaizerac, the original ruler of Midland and the original owner of Berserker Armor. Not only that, he's also Zodd's rival.]
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Steve Berry
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I'm not sure if the comment re: Skullknight was in response to my earlier post, but I agree as well that he ought to have been included. However, whether or not he's spoiler[the ancient king Gaiseric] is really still up for debate in my mind.
I'll be interested to see what some of the others think of the show as a whole after they finish it. 
Re: reading the manga after finishing the show-- I wouldn't say it's necessary to read the first 12/13 volumes, but there is a reasonable amount that's been cut-- largely in the first 4 volumes (all about Gut's childhood) and volume 12. It's a pleasure to read them, and they have their own value. As a lover of manga and of Berserk, I'd recommend them though.[/b] |
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unhealthyman
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Going mildly off topic here, but I figured a bump was better than a new thread.
Finished Berserk a while ago, and although the ending definately let it down, it was one of my favourite recent shows. Partly because of the pure awesomeness of two of the songs on it - Gattsu and Berserk Forces, but anyway, onto my question. I think one of the main reasons this appealed to me was the strong (dare I say it Western?) fantasy influences in it. What i'm meaning here is that it felt like an anime version of a fantasy novel (something like Raymond E. Feist/Robert Jordan/David Eddings,) the type of book that fascinated me in my youth. (Although the fact that at the age of 21 I am referring to my youth already is truly worrying.) And, to cut to the chase, I was wondering what other anime could fulfil this desire? I was vaguely thinking that Twelve Kingdoms would have something of the epic qualities of this. Or maybe Tsubasa Chronicles? (I may be waay off track here.) Anyway, I think I will be moving onto the manga of Berserk - it's weird that I found it such a gripping story, because if I deconstruct it and analyse it, it was a bit kinda dumb really, but I felt there was something there that makes me really want more...  And I would like the story to carry on past the slightly horrifically awful last episode of the anime.
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fighterholic
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When I first started reading Berserk I just thought it was another mindless blood and guts rampage kind of manga. I'm glad I was wrong and kept reading, because I have found very many interesting details and references to things in the real world while reading this series. |
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andrew505
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The Manga is just incredible, i suggest you read it. In Japan they are currently in volume 32, as for the darkhorse english versions i'm not 100% sure what volume it is, but it's quite behind, however worth the wait. I suggest you read the Manga, as it answer many and further explains the story, of one of my favourite anime series.
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