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mangamuscle
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It is Sweden. No, I am not a grammar nazi, I am with the Spanish Inquisition |
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oishi_47
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...because it's easier to protect the idea of a child than an actual one.
Geography Nazi perhaps? |
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ikillchicken
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Okay, hold up. You're not making much sense. Based on everything I have read, he is alleged to have: -Held one woman down and molested her. -Had sex with another woman while she was asleep. The sex was consensual but not using a condom was not. If that's the case, I don't see what your issue with the law is. Both of those things should absolutely be illegal. I understand that she didn't report it until a couple days later. However, she alleges that she did in fact object at the time, not merely after changing her mind two days later. If you merely don't believe her then that's another matter. However, I don't see anything in your article to dispute that these are the charges. I see a lot of empty posturing. I see a lot of pedantic hair splitting over how this isn't technically rape. However, nothing to say that he is being charged because under this law is illegal to have consensual sex if the person changes their mind two days later. Hence, I don't see where you're getting this notion from. |
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hikaru004
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You obviously don't live in an area where guys get "set up". In that article IIRC, the woman boasted about having sexual intercourse with the guy and later files rape charges. Not many people would consider that rape. Back on topic, so this guy had the "illegal images" on his computer as part of his job as a manga expert. Sucks to know that your field is now illegal to participate in to its fullest extent. |
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Mohawk52
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I got confused with the Swiss banker what leaked secret Swiss bank accounts to Wikileaks, and Assange's alleged rape charge in Sweden. I'm an old man, my bad. Still my point stands whether Swiss, or Sweden. |
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MaxSouth
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Lets repeat it: the woman boasted about sex with Assange and later "changed her mind" and conveniently filed charges. With this, there is no way to spin this story to make Assange rapist. |
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mangamuscle
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I also disagree about that; Assange will be deported to the USA the moment he touches Sweden soil (probably staying only the time required to inform his lawyer and transfer him to another plane) so it is a win-win situation for those women, they get their revenge (since in the USA they will no doubt name him an enemy combatant and make him stay in a prison as long as he lives, maybe longer) and they do not have to stand in court at all so they do not risk any consequences for their outright lies. End of Story, the bad guys win, nothing to see here, move along, move along. I am an ancient man and evil 
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Mohawk52
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mangamuscle
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They would have to charge with breaking a law which they can't, otherwise deep throat and the reporters of the New York Times would have served time and Nixon would not have quit. That is the reason I an sure they will name him an enemy combatant, you cannot have your cake and eat it, either you have freedom of speech or you do not.
I have no doubt the american embassy is offering the one remaining witness a bucket load of money (or whatever else she fancies) to make sure she maintains her allegations long enough for them to get hold of him. |
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Mohawk52
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ikillchicken
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Jesus, you people are impossible to have a coherent conversation with. Yes. I get it. You passionately feel that he is innocent. Now stop foaming at the mouth and explain why. The article (written by his lawyer) claims that she bragged about it. It doesn't actually offer any hard evidence to back that up. You're waving around this assumption that she's lying as if it's a matter of fact when it's obviously not. Hence, it's not the case that it is illegal under this law to have sex if consent is withdrawn two days later. That's not what he is alleged to have done. It is alleged that she objected at the time, rather than two days later. Now, once again I will say: Whether one chooses to believe these allegations are true is a whole other discussion. If you believe that she is lying and that leads you to conclude that he's innocent, fair enough. I agree with you that if she's lying he is innocent. However, if she's telling the truth then he's absolutely guilty. Hence, to bring us back around to the original issue, what is your problem with the law? I look at the list of things he is charged with and I don't see anything that shouldn't be illegal. You might dispute whether he in fact did those things but then that's not an issue with the law. |
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SayaSe
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Sex-accusers-boasted-about-their-conquest-of-WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange/articleshow/7068149.cms |
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CCSYueh
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So why not let the courts decide? The Court of Public Opinion had their trial the day this all broke & everyone has divided up into their camps, so let's allow the courts to decide. There's a show on Discovery ID called "Who the BLEEP did I Marry"-episode "The Defector & the Divorcee" about a gal who was married to a Cuban Spy. After he left, the marriage was annulled & because the concent for sex was granted to her HUSBAND, not some jerk spying on the US & thus LYING to her, all the sex they had during the marriage was deemed unconsentual &, under Florida Law-a form of rape done in the name of Cuba so she was awarded a fat sum in damages against her ex's employer, Cuba. http://www2.fiu.edu/~fcf/exwife.html So--if those gals gave their consent in the insane delusion Assange was committing to them or whatever & there is a similar law in Sweden, Assange is in trouble. I asked a gal teaching a class on sex offenders/predators who commented (admitting we didn't have all the facts) that Assange appeared to be a egotist who possibly has predator tendancies. (that he might be using his fame to get girls in turn to feed his ego & a certain amount of manipulation is possibly involved) I note he seems to get his name into the press regularly anymore. Almost seems as though he gets jealous if he isn't a headline at least once a week. As for the topic-Sweden & the Scandinavian countries seem more than a bit on the extreme side of the issue. I thought most of the flack over manga child porn went back to them. They are scary in that so much is allegedly ok there, yet so much else can get one crucified. Buy your pot, but don't have naked cartoon kids |
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ikillchicken
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More of the same. Assertions that they bragged made by his lawyer. No actual direct evidence. The same couple absurdly inconclusive little facts. (Afterwards, she...made breakfast! DUN DUN DUN!) Whatever. If this to you is enough to conclude that she is clearly lying then believe what you want. There's clearly no point in me trying to convince you otherwise. Coming back to the original issue though, I ask again, what is your issue with the law? The things he is being charged with (as I quoted earlier) absolutely should be illegal. I understand that you don't think he actually did those things but that hardly means that doing such things shouldn't be illegal. |
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Xanas
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I agree, should be illegal, but also don't think he did those things. That said I can't really know, but I think there is so much around this that I don't think the truth will really be known for sure if he's convicted given the obvious interest some nations have in getting the guy for something.
CCSYueh, I think you presented a good example with the case of fraud with the spy but I think the very real difference in the Assange situation is that the women didn't have a reasonable expectation that Assange wasn't sleeping around. That's a fairly normal thing while being a spy is certainly not. I suppose I could see the merits in that argument if Assange told them he wasn't like that, but I doubt this is the case. The question of fraud should not be based on what the victim thinks alone, unless the accused was aware that the victim was crazy and delusional. |
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