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yell0
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Okay, well I would agree it makes them of questionable morality for sure. I just don't believe that you can automatically assume so much about an individual based merely on the fact they were in possession of a recording of an illegal act. This does not necessarily mean that they were involved in supporting the act recorded. It could, but to assume that is always the case is just going to land people innocent of actually injuring another individual in prison. Not to mention scaring people into not reporting stuff they may have otherwise. There's also the fact that it's far better for people to release their possibly harmful desires in a safe and harmless way through masturbation than to actually go out and do someone harm. |
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antvasima
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But what about the financing of the real perpetrators then? I mean, I read about these transgressions even being ordered in direct live view over the Internet. Don't you think that placing orders for others to rape children as a masturbation show should be illegal?
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yell0
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Well that's quite a bit different, because then you're directly soliciting a sexual performance from a minor. That is not the same at all as merely possessing child pornography. |
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tcsavato
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1. There were no opinions in my post barring the part about rape. There is no victim and there is no child. Without those, you don't have CP. 2. Lolicons are not pedophiles and Vice versa. Most lolicons do not hold an attraction to real children (or real people at all in extreme cases, though, that's because of other factors not lolicon consumption). And there are plenty of consensual loli (potential AoC issues aside) doujins. 3. NAMBLA peeps can think what they want. As long as they don't sex up kids against their will, then I will not persecute based on thought crime.
1. It's not grooming anybody if there is no attraction to a real child in the first place. Even then, only those with mental health issues would jump the gap between fiction and reality. 2. Doujin creators should seek that change themselves, not because the law tells them too.
This assumes there's transactions happening for (most) CP. There likely isn't. Considering the situation, there's very little to be made (especially on charging people) on internet porn, CP or otherwise.
1. Human trafficking is still rape. Though, they are typically unreported (Most rapes are). Honestly, unless stated otherwise by trying to incorporate unreported rapes, the rape statistics are always a lot more then what is published and is impossible to do a true statistic of it. 2. Rapists have a very different mindset than a normal person. They are not driven by money, they are driven by the thrill, power and humiliation/dehumanization of the victim. That is why it's posted online. The only thing driving them to do it, is their own sick mind. Very very few (if any) make any sort of money off the content.
Of course, material like this is something that would be paid for, atleast if they were specific requests for such and not a community type dealie. And things like these are more in tune to human trafficking, your run of the mill CP maker won't exactly risk themselves that openly. |
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revolutionotaku
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Child protection laws sometimes do not work as governments had originally planned.
Example, when the PROTECT Act of 2003 was put into law in the United States, it was the exact same year as the kidnapping of Amanda Berry in Ohio. She was impregnated & held as a prisoner in a torture/sex chamber by Ariel Castro. Meanwhile, the feds were busy arresting law-abiding otakus like Christopher Handley. 10 years later, she managed to escape & finally got the police to help save the other teenage girls who were also held prisoner by Castro. Castro has since been arrested & is now facing the death penalty. The PROTECT Act did not save Amanda Berry, she saved herself. So the PROTECT Act of 2003 was a absolute failure. |
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partysmores
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https://twitter.com/hiro_mashima/status/341080365601009665
Actual proof that manga will be affected right here. Rough translation: -Natsu's vest will be closed -All Grey shirtless scenes will be removed -Any scenes of "sex appeal" on female characters will be removed -Wendy will have to drop out -No more bathing suits or bath scenes. -Any old manuscripts/tankobons with this material in them will have to be "disposed of". |
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mdo7
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Yeah that's what I'm afraid of and this could be the end of the industry as we know it. |
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Chagen46
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I am a loli/shotacon (though I am attracted to adult characters too) and I have never wanted to ever do anything sexual with a child. The thought sickens me. Actually, I HATE children. You couldn't pay me a million bucks to spend time with some other person't ugly and whiny spawn. People do not get "bored" with a fetish. Sexuality doesn't work that way. Going by your logic someone who looks at porn with consensual sex would soon get bored with it and watch rape porn. But not everyone watches rape porn. You're just comitting a Slippery Slope Fallacy. The difference between an actual child and a bunch of lines on a page representing a precoscious pseudo-child (that frequently acts in a way utterly divorced from real children) is gigantic. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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Ohh, boy. Then it seems that Fairy Tail and most other anime shows like it are going to get severely crippled. Even worse, this could mean that lesser-known manga and anime shows may end up being shut down before they even have a chance to start. Yes, this child porn bill really does reek of censorship. |
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mdo7
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Yes, this could killed the anime and manga industry for sure. Japan has already did it. Good bye anime and manga, it's been nice knowing you. 
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revolutionotaku
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If this bill includes anime/manga (which is total harmless fiction) alongside with actual kiddie porn (which should be banned completely) & get passed into law, it will be considered a tragic act of suicide for Japan's anime culture.
I'm so glad that the JACA & other animation groups are noticing the red flags early before this bill causes serious damage. |
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Shiroi Hane
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There was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the run up to the Coroners and Justice Act, but since then only a single second has been cut from a mainstream anime. Strike Witches passed uncut with a 12 rating. While it might be interesting to see what the BBFC would make of To Love-ru Darkness, I'm not convinced that the sky is falling over Japan as far as mainstream anime is concerned.
Can you name me a few of these severely censored non-hentai titles? Last I heard, while it downsized a lot after the anime bubble burst, there is still a hentai anime business up and running in the US, with less censorship than in Japan. |
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Grinpatch
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Yes, very good!
Ban drawings but leave clips with half naked REAL girls on the TV. Also, I'm sure that drawings are definitly the cause of all the child-rape that happens in this world, if they ban this made-with-a-pencil then all the child-rape will dissapear! They should also ban drawings with violence in them, it's that that causes so many violence in this world, the reason there are wars are simply because of drawings, there's even this rumour going on that the cause of the 2 World-Wars are because of Anime. Oh and those atomic bombs that fell on Japan weren't really atomic bombs, they were drawings from an Anime. |
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revolutionotaku
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The first manga volume of "Kamikaze" had some chick giving a guy a BJ in a subway station. The English version had to remove & redraw the scenes that were too explicit for the bible-reading public. That's good-old fashioned American censorship for you! |
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