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Gilles Poitras
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"Article 21. Freedom of assembly and association as well as speech, press and all other forms of expression are guaranteed. No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated." However just as in the US there are limits and this proposed law is to increase those. If passed expect magazines to cease publishing, books and anime to go out of print, companies to downsize, stores to close and a long series of court fights. Kinda like in the US where works like James Joyce's Ulysses and Ginsberg's poem Howl were once considered obscene. |
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Blanchimont
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Wikipedia: United States Obscenity law: Obscene Texts
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FenixFiesta
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Proveing obscenity in court in an American Court is relatively difficult, that is to say that if something looks like it is "up in the air" on weather or not something is obscene it pretty much will fall into the "not obscene" category, the Japanese law seems to fall on the other side where if something seems obscene IT IS obscene by broad legal definition..
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mdo7
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I do agreed with several recent posts, if they pass this bill it would kill the anime industry along with manga as we know it. I find the Japanese government making this ridiculous and just a waste of time (Yes, I don't like real child porn, but taking it out on drawings is just too much and will be the death of anime/manga industry). Japanese govt should be focusing on other thing like I don't know globalizing their products like J-pop and J-drama and get more anime/manga to be exported easily since their Korean counterpart is having their best time of the year with K-drama and K-pop.
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Snomaster1
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What could happen because of this bill if it were passed,could cause a lot of manga artists and others to leave Japan to work elsewhere. They could even end up in the United States. That's what happened in Germany in the 1930's. A number of scientists,filmmakers amd artists,many of whom were Jewish,left Germany and emigrated elsewhere. Many of them ended up in the U.S. where a lot of them ended up with stellar careers here.
Could it happen again with this bill? I don't know. It might. We'll just have to wait and see. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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No Snomaster, these circumstances are not the same thing, not even close. They'd just have to be forced into drawing other toned-down manga or quit the industry altogether and seek some other profession. They're not going to pack up and move to a country where they don't speak the language or likely have any connections or opportunities over something as relatively small as this.
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Snomaster1
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Easy,walw6pK4Alo. I meant no disrespect. I said it could happen,I didn't say it would happen. I admit it may be a relatively small matter and you're right on that point. There wouldn't be a mass exodus from Japan of what I spoke of in my earlier post. I'm just not really sure about the effects of this bill. I admit,this looks like something straight out of "Library Wars,"a manga that deals with this very subject.
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antvasima
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Considering that Japan has long been the world "leader" in producing child pornography, this is a serious problem for the country, that needs to be addressed further.
Personally I support if the bill strictly goes after sick, evil, and disgusting tentacle child-rape hentai, and don't see how that would affect anything like, say One Piece? However, if the bill would go after any high school anime with 17 year old girls in it, then it would be silly. |
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tcsavato
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Why is that? Because it's a depiction of a child like character? Fact of the matter is that that "child" doesn't exist, there is no victim and nobody being abused. Outside of the fact that you personally don't like it, there is zero logical reason to ban such content. Doujin Markets exist, and such a ban would effect them and effect that part of the industry heavily. I find rape to be one of the most reprehensible crimes and dislike most depictions of it in fiction. (With Good story telling, it can be used to create a crisis or make one feel for certain characters) No matter my distaste of rape, I will not lobby for it's ban from fiction. I just avoid media with the content. Somebody out there likes it, and as long as nobody is harmed in its creation, they should have free reign to create what they want. |
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NegativeGate
Posts: 48 Location: Maryland |
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You and your logic... |
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antvasima
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I respectfully disagree with your opinion, and at the end that is all that it is. One opinion or another.
There is a massive difference between an offpage reference to child rape as a vile crime to be punished and for deeply gratuitious purposes. Given the massive problems with paedophile networks in Japan I think that the child rape hentai is grooming the users into the real alternative, and I couldn't be less concerned that the doujin industry would have to adapt through consentual sex depictions, which would probably sell just as well. Mind you, the real deal should obviously hold far harsher punishments, but I wouldn't mind if the actual spreading and production of any form of gratuitious child rape would be imposed with a fine, but mere possession is much iffier. This viewpoint is not likely to change, no matter whether you are more tolerant towards the practice, just as I'm sure that the reverse holds equally true. My problem is the assumption that your viewpoint should somehow automatically hold greater validity. Also, should you really waste your time fighting for the rights of people who think like Nambla members? |
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yell0
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Citation needed.
Who "thinks" like a Nambla member? And how do you know what goes on inside their head? I want to chalk up your post as a troll, but you probably actually believe this. Oh and if you actually think the stuff's purpose is for "grooming" children, then what about all of the stuff already out there? Stopping new material from being made doesn't solve this issue at all. I was actually molested as a child, and I still think you're crazy. You think you're savin' the chillun huh? Please, you're just removing ways for people with such attractions to release their desires in a safe and harmless way. Oh and One Piece is easily one of the most awful animes ever. We should ban it! (Just my opinion!). |
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FuriFuu
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Child Molestation is not an exclusive japanese problem but a world-wide society issue. Majority of child-molestations occur in the home, usually by a friend, a friend of the friend or a relative than a stranger on the street. Molestations have been happening way before any manga or anime was ever created. The japanese cartoonist are not the problem, nor is manga or anime the problem. Blaming books for both a society and mental issue is not preventing or solving the actual problems of child molestation, sex, or any other topic or issue. It is all together avoiding it, and blaming inanimate objects which have no true age, are not real people, rather than tackling the actual issue head-on. If the general public were as easily influenced as you hint, then <all> media should be promptly banned and regulated as stiffly as this bill is which is aimed specifically at readers and cartoonists. We would have murders, rapists and other lots running about freely if they happened to read or view fictional medias. The claims of manga or anime <grooming> those who create or produce it for the <real>" are far-fetched and faulty claims based on illogic conclusions and fears rather than concrete evidence. If readers were to read a manga based on murder mysterious, does that mean that the readers are being "groomed" to kill? Does that mean the author is advocating murder simply because they created a book? This bill has very little to do with actual child pornography, which does involve a victim, which does create harm on an underage person which is the actual problem, which is the photographic evidence of an identifiable person used in its creation. Instead it is a bill to penalize and target japanese cartoonist and the readers/public who enjoy manga and anime. What this bill is doing is blackmailing cartoonists and readers on purposely broad definitions. Any cartoon character can be easily accused of being <under> even if stated otherwise by the author. Often times manga and anime is created in a style in which one character looks no different than the next, which is another reason why assigning <ages> to fictional drawings is a stupid idea. They have no age, and can be any age the cartoonist wishes. If a character where to lack enormous boobs can be easily penalized, what difference does it make if a character has enormous boobs as well? Take Himiko from BTOOOM! for instance. Because the government feels like it, essentially any cartoonist or reader can be black-mailed and penalized. |
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FuriFuu
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The United States passed a bill in 2003 called Protect Act under George Bush which is basically the same thing as this bill revision here. Once this was passed other countries began to copy-cat, including UK <2009> and Spain <this>. If the japanese cartoonist were to move to US they would encounter the same problems, from a society which views cartoons as real-people along with a religious influenced based on puritanism and the bible. Also with the same notion as <comics> idealogy, which ended up getting adult manga banned and imprisonment like<Legend> in the Texas v. Castillo case. It's also the main reason why many manga and anime do not make it to U.S. shores without severely being censored(non hentai), or not translated at all(hentai). Japanese cartoonist have a better chance in Denmark or even Sweden than they do in the U.S. |
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VORTIA
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@FuriFuu
I don't know what United States you're talking about, but I don't see a lot of edited anime and manga up on store shelves these days. The overwhelming majority of it is released as intact as possible when performing a translation. As for the Protect Act, even federal courts in places like rural Iowa have slapped down it's restrictions on art that circumvent the Miller Test for Obscenity. As obscenity is exceedingly hard to prove in any court proceeding (there is no objective standard) the government has not pursued prosecuting a large number of people for such charges. Anybody who pleads guilty to an obscenity charge is acting out of fear rather than making a statistically rational decision. Last edited by VORTIA on Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
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