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LaSean
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Yes the dubs have flaws but they don't suck, they are decent. |
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YamadaKun
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@LaSean No, I'm not too big on DBZ, but it doesn't mean that I should let people view DBZ for what it's not. These dubs are about as DBZ as Indiana Jones is Star Wars. And before you say "that's not an accurate analogy at all" actually it is. Both are George Lucas creations. Both have Harrison Ford as a main character. Both go deep into the pasts of their respective film sagas. Both have the same composer. But they're so different, even if the aesthetic feel of them is the same. These dubs may look like the source, both they most certainly are not.
EDIT: Oh BTW, these dubs didn't hold up for their times, in the slightest. By the the in house dub of Z came to TV, the dubs of Gundam F91 and Gundam 0080 came out with faithful scripts, professional, veteran VAs involved, unedited, no swearing censored, music is kept, everything is how it was in the Japanese. Even Gundam 0083, which had a hokey dub still kept the BGM music, had a decent script, as well as freaking Kirk Thronton and the Daran Norris, which is enough to make the DBZ dubs of past look awful. Also 6 months later, Gundam Wing was dubbed for TV, which still slapped DBZ's dub silly, even if it's cringeworthy now. @Lynx The CE dubs were decent, anyway. The sides were way better than the mains, but the dub still kept the original scripts and feel of the show. Also, Bakugan has changes from the JP version. Edits and all. @PurpleWarrior13 You can say that, but there are things in this world which are either sucky or great. I can understand vegetarians not liking Big Macs, but for meat eaters, how can they resist the juicy, succulent taste of a Big Mac? If they do resist it, that's their loss. |
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PurpleWarrior13
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Yes, there are things in this world that are sucky or great... in people's minds. Once again, those are called OPINIONS.  What defines sucky and great can (and does) vary from person to person.
Oh, and not all meat eaters like Big Macs.
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GVman
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I think most folks would agree that an adaptation is bad if it strays too far from the source material, which is what the Ocean dub does. To each their own, though. |
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Looneygamemaster
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I think an adaptation is bad if it strays from the original work's spirit. They should feel free to make changes that would better suit the adaptation (something the slavishly faithful Shonen anime adaptation should learn to do), but that's not what DBZ's English dubs wanted. They wanted "EXTREME!" and "ACTION!" The result is that we lose the silliness that, while lessened, is still present in DBZ.
I honestly don't know how such dubs can be so popular, because that silliness is pretty much all that makes DBZ watchable.  But that's just me.
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Adamanto
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He even talks about how serious the source material was in relation to a character this dub turned into a rocker. A character who, in the original, is still named after fruit juice and is a member of a team with a love for corny poses that play rock-paper-scissors to determine who gets to fight who. Makes you wonder if he ever saw the show in any capacity. Dragonball has always a silly air to it. |
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tygerchickchibi
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Welp.
Geeze, I didn't expect people to go bananas over this, but I would buy it, considering that I was originally looking for the Uncut movies with the original Ocean VAs. I only managed to get one copy, but I pretty much enjoyed it. In any case, this is for someone like me...I'm gonna get it! 
(Considering I never got upset about any anime that was edited in my childhood, there's no need for me to foam at the mouth). |
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KabaKabaFruit
 Posts: 1872 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba |
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To be honest here, the Ocean VA's were not that bad here save for Peter Kelamis (but I've never liked Kelamis as Goku to begin with so that's just me). The VA's were just given a script and some directions to take the acting and that's it. You can ask any VA and they will tell you the same thing: "We just read the line."
If you really want to blame someone for the bad acting, you might as well blame the director. However, during the 90's regarding all kids anime, overacting was just the norm. It still goes on today. |
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Joe Carpenter
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if I ever revisited DBZ it would definitely be through this, but the way I see it, DBZ was a gateway drug that led to bigger and better things, there's no reason to go backwards in this case, it probably IS better left to memory
however, that said I'd be lying if I said it wasn't tempting, nostalgia is like a powerful drug to me, even when things turn out to be not as good as I remembered it's still a pleasant experience for me just to reinvigorate old memories |
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PurpleWarrior13
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I thought the FUNi dub, as well as the two dubs Ocean worked on, captured the show's spirit pretty well. The "extreme action" stuff was definitely present, but mostly in the show's marketing, narration, and in some cases the music. Not that I minded that though. Anything to more easily market the show. There are lots people I know and knew that watched DBZ and no other anime that probably would not have touched it had it not been for that edge. I think the show's hardcoreness added to it's appeal and gave the show more broad popularity. Though the show was pretty damn hardcore before, and it's not like the silly moments were cut. If anything, all the English versions were loose enough that they didn't take themselves too seriously, and were more entertaining to watch because the dialogue was usually more colorful than a straight translation would be. It's still up to opinion though and doesn't make anything "factually" good or bad.
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hojo 360
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I can see maybe someone wanting this but heavily-edited version that's not worth any sort of cash hell if i wanted to feel like i was in the 90's id go hunt down the VHS sorry funi but this was a wast
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zeo1fan
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I'd disagree. An objective 'good' and 'bad' do exist. Your view is reductive. |
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zeo1fan
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Storytelling isn't as invisible an art as some make it out to be. A story is a machine with multiple parts acting to take it to its natural conclusion. Writing, as a practice, as well as what it produces, can be objectively dissected and analyzed. Attempting to apply blanket subjectivity in order to put every person's opinion on the same level also ignores that experience, authority, and study in film analysis have any poignancy. It smacks of the sort of anti-intellectualism that's running rampant in this country. If everything is subjective then there's no point to the pursuit of knowledge because what you encounter only means as much as you think it means and you can't be right or wrong either way. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that's a laughable idea. |
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zaphdash
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I'm not sure why this is "@" me since it has nothing to do with what I said. What the hell are you even talking about? |
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jsc315
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Also people can like things that are awful and are acknowledged as so and people can still like them. A good 1/3 of my anime collection are awful and horrible animated anime and I love it for that specific reason. Just because it is awful and bad does not mean people still can not enjoy it in any way. |
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