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sabriyahm
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Swinging your fist is not a thought. That's an action that put whose face it belongs to in reasonable apprehension of recieving a bodily injury. Also known as the crime of simple assualt. Does this help clarify my point on your freedoms ending where my begin? |
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Steroid
 Posts: 329 Location: At home, where all good hikikomori should be |
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Yeah, it's a metaphor. What I meant is, so long as I'm not damaging you, I can do whatever I want. |
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The Shade
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 Reading eleven pages of this can be really tiring.
I think that the whole point of this thread has been completely derailed. Zac's original concern was how we, the regular Joe anime fans, were going to be perceived once lolicon became common knowledge. Our opinions on it are really irrelevant. It's public opinion that will really matter. What's that? You don't care about public opinion? You should at least pay close attention to it. Public opinion shapes what laws are enacted (no matter how silly we think they are, once enacted, laws are laws). Very quickly, public opinion could turn our anime hobby into a very, very difficult one. How difficult? Use your imagination. Last edited by The Shade on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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lol *sigh* you guys really just aren't understanding eachother. His point is, you just can't control thought, that's all there is to it. We agree people should do what is wanted of them and all, but our own minds are what makes us human, not that we abide by what someone tells us.
And yes The Shade, you're right, but until then thankfully we can argue about it all we want. Last edited by Steve007101 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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jmays
ANN Associate Editor
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And you're darn proud of your abstract principles, aren't you? Fine then, go and celebrate your freedom while the rest of us wonder what exactly you see in animated nine-year-olds girls who flash their panties. |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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JMays, seriously, you're being retarded, I just have to say it. We're talking about the principle, not the content.
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Pleroma
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You are ignoring that none of this concerns actions. I may hate, dislike, loath and be sickened by every single thought that goes on in yur mind every minute of every day, but as long as it stays there it si sacred, and I would fight and die for your and mine rights for that to remain so. This reminds me somewhat of the flagburning debate, where the right to do it is ultimately what gives meaning to the flag itself. Whereas banning it would render its meaning of freedom and liberty meaningless and a greater insult than any physical desecration. |
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jmays
ANN Associate Editor
Posts: 1390 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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No, you're obfuscating. Lolicon is a very specific topic, and you're expanding it to Freedom and Principles to avoid talking about lolicon.
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HitokiriShadow
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Raping a little girl is a crime. That is violating someone else's rights. That is not a thought, it is an action. Last edited by HitokiriShadow on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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Well put Pleroma, well put.
And oh for the love of God, HitokiriShadow, you're completely ignoring what his point was. And yes yes, we weren't suppose to get this off topic and onto this but hey, it had it's reasons. Last edited by Steve007101 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:47 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Malintex Terek
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Yow. And I thought all the discussions were going to be about One Piece again; I'm not sure if I should be disgusted or pleasantly surprised.
On a different note, is there a way for me to condition my browser to display one hundred posts at the same time? Looking through thirteen pages worth of material is a bit taxing even though there are a small number of posts. |
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candeh
 Posts: 17 Location: Orange County, CA |
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Take a good long look at this, guys, because this is the type of stuff that's going to be plastered all over the news once major outlets get wind of this story. And that's what the average non-anime fan is going to be thinking when you wear your AX t-shirt or FMA backpack or when you say you like anime. The average person will see you as someone who thinks your right to watch child porn supersedes a child's right not to be raped, whether or not you watch loli. It hasn't been that long since "anime" basically equalled "hentai" for the general public and Zac is right in saying that this fandom doesn't need a huge image problem. |
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Swissman
Posts: 768 Location: Switzerland |
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Wow, I can almost feel the heat of the debate crossing my browser...
Someone wrote:
As far as I have seen, we're still talking about fantasy characters and drawings. It's not real kids turning into sex-objects, it's underage manga/anime/game characters which are sexualized. In most cases, those characters don't look like real children at all (sadly, in very few examples, they do). If sexual arousement for fictional underage m/a/g-characters is the primary goal of certain kind of anime and manga, then this is as far as it goes. It isn't the goal of those works to incite their consumers to actually look for media content featuring real child abuse - the goal is the consumer should buy more of this kind of anime, manga and games and inciting a well-known behavior: Fantasizing "What if?". If anything happens, that would be consumers actually wanting more of the fantasy ideals moe and rorikon. Last edited by Swissman on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:53 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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fighterholic
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Ehh, that's a no-no.
I agree with you. All we have to have is a bad connection to a crime where lolicon is put onto the scene, and just think of all the news broadcasts and the tabloids. And then we can have a congressional session like the Hot Coffee incident and Hillary CLinton can got on anime's butt. |
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pat_payne
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I'm sorry, Pleroma, you misunderstand me. It is not for others to dictate what goes on in another's mind in normal circumstances. To have an Orwellian thought police that could punish random thoughts at will is abhorrent to anyone, and I'm sure we can all agree to that extent. However, to say that the mind must be unfettered id with no balancing superego or ego is a horrible thing to say in the other direction. and to say that that justifies blowing off people who fear that the desires of a minority will negatively impact them directly is asinine. |
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