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Lord Geo
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: North Brunswick, New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:29 pm
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Mr. sickVisionz wrote: | Animation is kinda what separates anime from manga. |
Yes, because stuff like voice work, music, audible sound effects, & specifically-defined pacing (manga you could, theoretically, read at whatever speed you want), among other things, is completely irrelevant when it comes to comparing anime & manga. It seems like, for a lot of people, all it comes down to is "Oooh, moving pictures!". Is animation a big part of the difference? Sure, but if that's all you think is important then you're really coming off as shallow, which I certainly hope isn't the case. It's like people who claim that video games are defined by their graphics instead of their overall package.
Quote: | This series doesn't need mind blowing animation at every step, but I can't think of a single benefit to viewers that comes from it being so poorly and lazily animated at every step. |
See, that's where your thought process is failing. You're automatically equating limited animation with terms like "poor" & "lazy". You want poor animation? Watch something like the Panzer Dragoon OVA, with it's embarrassingly-done CG (even for its time) & piss-poor animation. You want lazy animation? Watch Gundoh Musashi, with its sloppily-done scenes, actual photos used as backgrounds, and so many audio & visual mistakes that it's impossible to list all of the ones that happen in a single episode. Those are two perfect examples where words like "poor" & "lazy" are actually proper descriptors. Sure, Akagi doesn't have a lot of animation to it, but the show has enough style, substance, excellent music, absorbing characters, impeccable voice work, & intense storytelling to more than make up for it. People make fun of the anime adaptation of Violinist of Hameln for having barely any animation (it's commonly been nicknamed the "Slideshow of Hameln"), yet people love it for its memorable characters, use of classical music, & dead-serious storytelling.
If you're instantly decrying limited animation as studios being "poor" or "lazy", then you're definitely missing out on some excellent stuff.
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trilaan
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:54 pm
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I haven't seen Akagi yet but Kaiji is in a class by itself and I highly recommend it. I'm reading the manga now because I just HAVE to see the villains get what's coming to them. I marathoned Kaiji a couple months ago in roughly 7 episode blocks, something I had not done since Monster. It's that gripping/engaging.
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Mr. sickVisionz
Joined: 28 Oct 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:16 am
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Lord Geo wrote: |
Mr. sickVisionz wrote: | Animation is kinda what separates anime from manga. |
Yes, because stuff like voice work, music, audible sound effects, & specifically-defined pacing (manga you could, theoretically, read at whatever speed you want), among other things, is completely irrelevant when it comes to comparing anime & manga. It seems like, for a lot of people, all it comes down to is "Oooh, moving pictures!". Is animation a big part of the difference? Sure, but if that's all you think is important then you're really coming off as shallow, which I certainly hope isn't the case. It's like people who claim that video games are defined by their graphics instead of their overall package.
Quote: | This series doesn't need mind blowing animation at every step, but I can't think of a single benefit to viewers that comes from it being so poorly and lazily animated at every step. |
See, that's where your thought process is failing. You're automatically equating limited animation with terms like "poor" & "lazy". You want poor animation? Watch something like the Panzer Dragoon OVA, with it's embarrassingly-done CG (even for its time) & piss-poor animation. You want lazy animation? Watch Gundoh Musashi, with its sloppily-done scenes, actual photos used as backgrounds, and so many audio & visual mistakes that it's impossible to list all of the ones that happen in a single episode. Those are two perfect examples where words like "poor" & "lazy" are actually proper descriptors. Sure, Akagi doesn't have a lot of animation to it, but the show has enough style, substance, excellent music, absorbing characters, impeccable voice work, & intense storytelling to more than make up for it. People make fun of the anime adaptation of Violinist of Hameln for having barely any animation (it's commonly been nicknamed the "Slideshow of Hameln"), yet people love it for its memorable characters, use of classical music, & dead-serious storytelling.
If you're instantly decrying limited animation as studios being "poor" or "lazy", then you're definitely missing out on some excellent stuff. |
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Crisha
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:02 am
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There are some people over at Anime-Planet who have been strongly recommending to watch Akagi and Kaiji for a few years now. Their opinions on anime are very similar to mine, so I've been meaning to check them out for a while. I was very pleasantly surprised to seem them both pop up on Crunchyroll. Maybe I'll be able to get a start on one of them this semester.
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KabaKabaFruit
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:18 am
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While I am dreaming at this point, I hope the Crunchyroll broadcasts will open the doors to more Fukumoto fandom. Sure, the character designs are weird as hell but the storytelling and pacing more than make up for them.
Heck, it could help encourage the licensing of Fukumoto manga.
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sunflower
Joined: 04 Sep 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:29 am
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[quote="Lord Geo"]
Mr. sickVisionz wrote: | Sure, Akagi doesn't have a lot of animation to it, but the show has enough style, substance, excellent music, absorbing characters, impeccable voice work, & intense storytelling to more than make up for it. |
Not to mention, Akagi's stillness is part of what makes him a great player. He's unreadable and he's unpredictable and that makes the tension great for the players as well as the viewers. It also means that the smallest of gestures gives something away, so the anime style makes the viewer observe the way good players do. The animation style fits the story perfectly.
On another note, I was trying to find DVDs of the live action movies. Does anyone know if a) they're worth looking for, or b) they were ever released in English?
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