Forum - View topicNEWS: Japan's Animation Blu-ray Disc Ranking, October 7-13
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Maidenoftheredhand
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^ see the same type of denial that women buy anime. It is pretty hilarious actually.
I am not denying that there are guys that buy Free! But notice how these same people pointing this out wouldn't admit that women may buy Otaku shows too. Also Free! Is successful but not more successful than other "fujoshi" shows. So no that doesn't prove that "more guys" are buying this show compared with women. Also Free! Has been Kyoani's most successful show in awhile. While its not Haruhi or Kon! Level sales it still did better than most other shows. But apparently only male Otaku are buying Free!. |
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GintokiThrowsDirtAtYou
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JoJo sells good. thats all i need to know.
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danilo07
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The fact that you are responding to yourself makes a wonderful case for multiple personality disorder,though your other personalities seem to be just you again.Nevertheless,you are still fascinating. |
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Agent355
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Oh, I get it! Free! is popular because straight male otaku are buying it to support its two fully clothed female characters! I suppose they also enjoy the endless competitive sports action in these first two volumes! Thanks for mansplaining it all for me!
I think I'll try watching a moe or fanservice filled harem show because that one male character is cute and the plot is almost like a shojo! |
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Rivailloli
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I'm so happy for Free!'s success! It was a great anime and I deeply enjoyed it. More than I actually thought I would. I can't wait to see how the rest of the volumes do!
And to the people saying men were a big part in Free!'s success, here's a link to a shopping website that lets you know the most popular purchases with sex and age groups and so on. http://www.7netshopping.jp/dvd/rank/dvd_animation/-/sex/1/sort/4/targetAge/0 While this is only one website, I think it can give us a small view of who is really the main force behind an audience. Besides, when Free! sold out its first week for vol. 1 it was at places that women were known for purchasing anime at. (Animate etc.) Of course men bought it, I'm sure men even bought UtaPri. (which has a higher BD number than DVD number so this whole 'look at all the BDs men are buying!!' doesn't hold much weight with Free! since women clearly buy BDs now too.) But women are more than likely the main reason Free! is successful (It's success isn't much better than UtaPri's S2 sales and we don't say men are the reason that's so high, right?) Either way, obviously some men bought Free!, but I don't think they have as big of a part as some people are making them out to be. |
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Rederoin
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Have you actually read any posts(be it from western fans or Japanese fans) from the male fans who bought the BD's? I'm not denying its more popular among females, but you're heavily underestimating the amount of male fans this show has. Why are you getting so worked up about this anywa..
Nevermind, this explains everything. I never though i'd see somebody on this forum use this word in a non-ironic/sarcastic way. |
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Leebo
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If you think people are "worked up" about it now, what were you calling the anti-Free fans back when this all started?
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Rederoin
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I never cared about them. |
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Leebo
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That was poor wording on my part. What would you call them? Because it sounds like you're trying to make this thread sound like it's some kind of model of uncivil discussion.
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musouka
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I have, in fact, seen posts from guys that were excited to buy the BDs. I've seen pictures of events and people lining up outside Animate on release day where you can see men as well as women there as well. HOWEVER. Those posts are absolutely dwarfed by the amount of posts I've seen women make. The amount of men in those photos are miniscule compared to the women. The amount of porn (pfft) produced of Kou by men is a insignificant fraction compared to the amount of porn produced of the guys, by women. The reason why people react so strongly when people bring up Free's "popularity" with men isn't because they don't want men to watch the series, or they're upset that it has male fans that are willing to support a show they also enjoyed. They are upset because Free's popularity is a big deal--and something that a lot of people have been waiting for years to see (1)--and, frankly, it's really, really annoying to see men try to co-opt that in their obsession to make themselves the most relevant part of Free's success. Yes, I'm happy men liked Free. I'm happy men liked Miho and Kou and the boys (presumably?). I'm happy they're supporting the show by buying it and discussing it. None of that negates the fact that women are the driving force behind Free's success. Even if you assume that ONLY men bought BDs and ONLY women bought DVDs, Free STILL would have been a success without men. If you can't handle that, then get over yourself. (1) - Free is the first high budget anime-original series aimed squarely at women for more than a decade. If you can't understand why that's a big deal to the female fanbase, then you need to learn basic empathy. |
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Agent355
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Thank you, musouka. I am so sick of entertainment made for girls and women being co-opted by men, especially since there is so little made for women to begin with. From Sailor Moon (which inspired male-targeted magical girl shows and, arguably, the moe phenomenon), to My Little Pony to Hollywood "bromances" replacing female-targeted romantic comedies. When women express interest in typical male-targeted entertainment, their labeled the minority, fujoshi (example: the attitude that Star Trek female fans are only in it for the slash fanfiction), or worse, "Fake Geek Girls". When men express interest in stuff made for girls, they get TV series or movies with the feminine aspects they like + fanservice or some other elements they want.
Now there are men claiming that something created specifically for women and fujoshi/fudanshi with a broader male otaku audience as a bonus is only as popular as it is because of the (minority) male otaku response. Not everything is made for you, nor should it be. In a world in which entertainment media can be very divided based on sexual preferences, only 90% of stuff is made for the male sex. Can you deal with the 10% that doesn't have you as the primary audience in mind without declaring it yours, too? |
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Megiddo
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By what arbitrary measurement do you quantify 'high budget' musouka?
And why do you refer to it as 'anime-original' when it is based on the High Speed light novels that KyoAni publishes? |
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Leebo
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To give you something to nitpick, I'm sure.
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musouka
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Production values. While I don't think Free was KyoAni at its best, the difference between it and pretty much any other series aimed at women (and specifically fangirls) you can think of is like night and day. Perhaps I should have said "comparatively" high budget, but I think the point still stands. Though things like Nana and HachiKuro also looked quite nice! Noitamina tends to have pretty good production values, though it's moved away from its "for women" roots.
Free wasn't chosen to be animated based on the popularity of its source material, because no one had access to the source material. While it was based on a LN--and one that I personally enjoyed--it wasn't released to the general public until after the decision to animate it had been green lit and the first episode had already aired. Most stuff aimed at women, or with a strong fanbase of women (think Haikyu), is only animated after its popularity has been proven in other media. Companies don't generally say, "sports series are popular with women; let's animate this IP." They say, "THIS sports series is popular [with women?]; let's animate this SPECIFIC IP." I suppose if you must, you can exclude Free from the "original anime" category based on that quibble, but it doesn't negate that the risks involved in making Free were more similar to an original anime than an already established IP. |
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Megiddo
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Oh, absolutely. I'm not saying that there wasn't any risk with Free. It had the same risk that Chu2koi, Tamako Market, and this season's Kyoukai no Kanata had. Well, Tamako was a little bit more risky since it had zero source material to base itself on, but still, these fledgling light novel properties under KyoAni's label were definitely a risk to animate, particularly considering that KyoAni is funding them with a large portion of its own capital.
I was just saying that it's disingenuous to call it 'anime-original'. I mean, K-ON and Lucky Star were completely unknown 4-koma manga before KyoAni adapted them, but just because they were rather unknown doesn't mean you can call them anime-original. There was a foundation of source material for KyoAni to work with, just like they had with Free and the High Speed novels. And indeed, I'm quite disappointed with the way Noitamina has distanced itself from the great josei titles it once had. But honestly, I'd say that Chihayafuru, a josei title that was beautifully animated by Madhouse or Kuragehime from Brains Base was also quite well animated. Were these not titles you could think of as being aimed squarely at women? Is it because there weren't a bunch of guys in speedos? |
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It gets a lot of posts on futaba and other otaku sites but other fujoshi shows don't really get discussed much there. Free definitely has men helping out it's sales which is why you can probably see it boosted so high. 
Kinda funny to dismiss all these otaku fans
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