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Cross Ange: Rondo of Angels and Dragons (TV).

I would think Pixiv not having anything largely reinforces Blood's hypothesis. How often do they use hentai characters?

I think you don't see anime as engineered, which is fine, but I don't think it would kill you to understand that a lot of people do see it that way, and that your "well, these things happens" attitude is entirely nonresponsive to the points being made.

although I recognize the obvious intent of scenes like that, don't think for a second I'm onboard with your pointless, "but the scene isn't necessary for Ange's development" belly-aching.

Of course I know it's engineered, but I'm not going to automatically assume the intent of the creators is evil. I've seen people talk about how 'sinister' shows like Is the Order a Rabbit? are just because there's scenes of the girls' changing. If you're too busy focusing on stuff like that, how are you supposed to enjoy anything?

Shows don't need a suggestive image at all to generate large amounts of fan art.

leatherhead333 wrote:

Now when I see violence, rape and death I want it to be very closely related to the plot that is progressively linear in an expansive fashion, as well in direct correlation to the evolution of the characters, but it also has to have an more important aspect. That aspect being that it delves profoundly into the psychological aspects, not only on the individual, personal, adaptive level, but in addition as well as from multiple points of view from different sociocultural niches involving things such as rationality, reactionary psychology, even denial and most importantly many types of adaptation to ones surroundings.

But it was pretty closely related to the story and the rabbit hole Ange has fallen into. After she tries to fight back out of her situation using the power she held before she finds herself the one dominated by someone else's power. The power she thought she held with a letter is completely ignored and a random request from a captain is quickly allowed. We learn that with all they have, sex that is essentially rape is allowed, and as Ange scratches beneath the surface we find that some of them are just broken, the lifestyle can take things from them.

Ange's disgusted spit at the end shows that she is still far from broken, how the events from the end of the episode affect her differently is to be seen.

So lets compare that to Ange now. We as the audience did not really learn anything from this attempted raped scene. First of all we already know that her assaulter is a lesbian wolf. This was established in an earlier sex scene. We already know that rules are probably not very well enforced since nobody cares if these people live or die. So raped being allowed is pretty unimportant. Next what was accomplished through the dialogue from the two. To be fair there was a bit of an ATTEMPT to destroy Ange's way of thinking from her assaulter but it was only one sentence in length.

This is the last post I will ever direct towards you. You are the first ANN poster whose comments I will actively ignore. I won't do this because I disagree with you. I read people I disagree with all the time. Even when dtm42 was at his most dickish, I continued to read his posts because as much as I often disagreed with him, there was at least a recognizable intelligence at work.

There is no such element with you. Having to constantly explain that 2+2=4 does not make debating opposing viewpoints fun and that's where we are with you. You are quite possibly the most colossally pointless poster I have ever encountered on any message board dedicated to any subject. Kudos.

No, you did not entirely listen to what I posted. It was not that rape is allowed, it is that a person of rank was allowed to do what she wanted of someone of lower rank. In a situation where Ange tries to pull her old society rank, she has still not realised it holds no power in the new ranking.

You have also completely ignored the point I made that the scene revealed that the characters are broken. We find out the girl is missing an eye, the life they are living is not just a case of strong people dominate the weak, it is that they all have lost something. That girl might have been completely normal before, but underneath they are scarred, it may very well be what Ange has to look forward to. This is something that was not focused on before this scene, but apparently think it is pointless.

If you want to refute my point, please show me that the series had already shown that a person of higher rank is allowed to use that power for their own pleasure against the lower person's will. And that the higher up people being harsh are not perfectly okay. The only other scene showing prosphetics was with the one that has an arm, which I would say was done as a way to show some complexity to her, and to lead into this scene without making it look like the eye came out of nowhere.

The scene really was a way to illustrate a point that was in the first episode where the baby was taken away from their mother. We know from that scene that these girls have thus been missing something important as they grow up, but that is a little hard to illustrate. This scene was a great way to really bring to head the point the show had been making at various points about what they lack from being taken from family and other facets, and what they do to fill in those holes. The theme had also been explored in the episode with Coco's interest in Ange too, something that had the tragedy shown later.

Go ahead and say that I am overthinking this. But either you are going to have to accept that there are some reasons, or that we are really just overthinking what should just be entertainment.

If you just took a look how these people are forced to live DP you'd know that they really don't care about Normas. Ange had to put on the suit of someone who recently died. This was shows how cruel the system in the prison is since they probably don't have proper funerals for the dead. One of the characters pointed out before that the Captain always gets carried away with the skinship on the newcomers and they have been receiving complaints. Well I'm pretty sure if you were raped in a prison the officers don't just turn a blind eye and say "suck it up". While they obviously don't always work there are actions that are taken to prevent these things from happening if someone is a victim of rape in prisons. The fact no such action exists here besides "please tone it down" heavily implies she does this with all the newbies.[/spoiler]

Your argument with the people being broken doesn't really pertain to that scene. Yes it helps flesh them out as individuals but what does that have to do with the captain? She takes great pleasure predatoring on other girls and is not shy about making that known. I fail to see any psychological reasoning for her lesbian antics besides the fact that she just likes girls. Nothing wrong with that but if I'm supposed to feel bad for her maybe there should have been more of an attempt to show us how she came into the group turning into the person she is now. I mean I kind of like the rest of the girls since the worst they've done is be pissy with Ange when she's a dick to them (which is totally reasonable) but the Captain doesn't seem to be a person we are supposed to sympathize with.

You seem to get the weird idea that this feature is supposed to make her some broken compelling solider who gets off on having sex with women for some psychological reason. I simply don't see how the audience is supposed to have that viewpoint at all. She's a girl who likes other girls. That's all there is too it.

leatherhead333 wrote:

You seem to get the weird idea that this feature is supposed to make her some broken compelling solider who gets off on having sex with women for some psychological reason. I simply don't see how the audience is supposed to have that viewpoint at all. She's a girl who likes other girls. That's all there is too it.

So you have done posts about that they were too shallow, and then you refuse to think a scene that was titillating can be anything other than titillating? Having one lose their eye as we suddenly found out as she forced herself on Ange was not meant to titillate. I do not hold the opinion that the reveal makes her sympathetic, merely that it holds a window to maybe why she is the way she is.

I personally did not find the mention "strong skinship" as a joke. If that is how you found it, then you must be enjoying Ange being tortured more than I am. it is a little inconsistent to find that a joke and expect the series to deal with situations maturely when it appears you are not. Its like Complaining that SAO has cartoonish villains without depth, and then also complaining that the series was trying to make the first main villain in a light that he is good after all. You are holding two separate expectations for parts that are actually connected.

Also did you notice that the captain seductively licked her eye before putting it back in? And then proceeds to go right back to assaulting Ange? Yeeeees no titillation going there.

We already knew that they had to have their body parts replaced. If having her eye end up on the floor was the first we heard of it I'd understand what you were saying but we saw the others having artificial body parts already. The question of "why these people are the way they are" was ALREADY opened. Now if the captain had a subtly placed flashback at that time or some dialogue of exposition the scene has a purpose. But finding out she has a messed up eye is basically the only thing we got from that scene.

Look I really don't know what else to tell you. You seem set on giving importance to the scene so I won't argue further. We'll just have to see how episode 3 plays out.