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Saturn
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The fact that he was shot repeatedly in the back is what makes this whole case stink. I wouldn't blame police for questioning anyone at all who was carrying a sword (or knife or whatever) because we live in a world where people will shoot kindergartners; you can never be too careful. But 6 shots is excessive, and unless he attacked them and then turned around an ran (which doesn't really seem like their story), they had no reason to think it was an urgent enough matter to open fire. |
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Maybe the cops would have thought twice if he had managed to get in front of a Dunkin Dounuts. This is disgusting. Hopefully all cops will be required to wear cameras soon and we can start to mitigate this kind of nonsense. |
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configspace
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The shot that killed him had no exit wound, only an entry wound in the back:
6 shots and a few cops around is actually showing restraint. And I'm not being sarcastic. For the majority of incidents including unarmed people, the cops would fire a whole lot more rounds. Last edited by configspace on Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:03 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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momopeach
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I have to wonder if these types of cases are becoming more common in recent history (recent meaning that back in the 60's something like this was legally unjust, but no one really did anything or bothered. Cops could beat up a black man on tape and investigators would say they couldn't find the perpetrators), or is it simply being reported on more?
In any case, the back wounds make me wonder about this. This certainly seems like racial profiling to me, and it begs the question if he was Caucasian or another ethnicity whether the same thing would have occurred. |
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mgosdin
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Probably not, the community's not the same. The basic problem is that you have people who have this "qualified immunity" which means that they are not always held accountable. This applies to Police Officers and a host of other officials in various governmental agencies. If you take that away and make it clear that the official's actions can and will lead to personal liability, if they make serious errors, then you will get somewhat more circumspect behavior. Yes it will make their jobs harder, and in some cases impossible, but the other result is citizens being hurt or killed without good cause. Mark Gosdin |
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dtm42
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The officers involved need to be charged with murder, pronto. Of course they won't be because the American justice system is broken. |
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Saturn
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I don't think that's particularly true. It would depend on the officers in question, of course, but you can't just assume they're all corrupt and willing to shoot innocent people, any more than you can assume a black person is inherently more dangerous than a white one. |
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VanGosroth
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They have no such right. They need probable cause. If it's 100% legal to OC an Ak-47 with a 75 round drum they can't force me to answer any questions because of what I COULD do with it, Reasonable suspicion must apply. If they keep bugging me for no reason I would file a lawsuit for harassment. For or against guns, you should never support officers arbitrarily detaining and questioning people because of some bullshit hunch. If you're into that kinda thing build a time machine and go live in the glorious U.S.S.R. |
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Ladymage Samiko
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Just to play devil's advocate…
Perhaps he was cosplaying. And we anime fans can understand that. But I defy anyone not to feel a little uneasy when a completely random person (black, white, or rainbow-coloured) is carrying a sword around. Permitted or not, it's not a common thing in this day and age. I can sympathize with the police/whoever called them in wanting to know what was up. As for shooting him in the back, I can see a plausible scenario: The police confront him, and he draws and lunges as they said. They stumble back, and he takes off. They need time to recover, draw their weapons, and shout whatever version of 'Stop, or I'll shoot' is used nowadays. He keeps running—someone who is carrying and has attempted to use a deadly weapon—so they shoot. I wasn't there; I don't know what happened. But I do believe that most cops are poor, ordinary bastards who are trying to do a job they get little thanks for, particularly nowadays. |
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Angel M Cazares
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This is terrible. I do not want to be this cynic, but like others here, I think this young man was most likely killed because he was black. What is wrong with the police, shooting and killing minorities.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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i feel sick to my stomach, seriously what the fudge??
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Megiddo
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Get mandatory cameras on those lunatic cops as fast as we can. This complete lack of responsibility and abuse of authority is just ridiculous.
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tygerchickchibi
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Hmmm...Yeah. Well, true story, I was in a restaurant with an ex boyfriend and he was carrying a black long shaped bag and someone called the cops on us because I guess they thought there were guns, when indeed they were kendo sticks. And the police questioned us and we showed it to them. They apologized for interrupting our meal and thanked us for cooperating. We were in public. On the flip side, my friend was walking around with a backpack and was lost in some suburban area, and he was stopped by police, they cursed at him, threw his stuff out of his backpack and was acting like they were the shit. This was more isolated. 
So I guess it depends on what kind of cop deals with the scenario.
...eh...that I dunno. I guess I'm trying to see this work out into my head but I have a hard time believing that it was so simple. I really hope to hear more. And if he was cosplaying, as a cosplayer, I find it kinda strange...unless there was a photoshoot or a con nearby, even an event between friends, I've never heard of anyone cosplaying alone like that. Perhaps closet cosplay, but even that is not even something I would think would apply to this guy. |
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YotaruVegeta
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So why was he cosplaying just because? I don't think someone needs to be shot to death because he has a sword, but there's a difference between being at a convention or event and cosplaying, and cosplaying on the street, with no context that police understand.
You have a weapon: a real weapon. You're on the street. At the very, very least, cops are going to come talk to you. |
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R315r4z0r
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-Shot in the back means he wasn't "lunging" at the officers.
-Shot 6 times means there was reason to use stopping force... IE, they weren't trying to disable they were trying to kill. -He was brandishing a (fake) melee weapon. Meaning if the police thought he was going to harm someone with the weapon, Hunt would have had to be within striking distance of the victim. IE, there is no way a police officer would fire a single round, from range, at a suspect when a bystander is within striking range of the target. Let alone 6 shots! No matter how you slice it, the cops are at fault. Whole story or not, firing your weapon for any reason should open up an investigation. |
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