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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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Based on the article, there isn't a lot to go by regarding exactly what took place. That *includes* the distance between parties throughout the incident. My reading of it was that the incident took place 200 yards away from the credit union. But the whole thing is worded so vaguely it could mean other things as well. There is nothing in the article that I found convincing one way or the other. The very lack of a comprehensive description of events is... puzzling, especially if there were eye-witnesses to what happened.
I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you said here, but since when has Mexico ever been considered a First World nation? They're not and never have been. |
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Ali07
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Right now, all I can do is sit back, look at the photo of the cops and Hunt and wonder what happened that they ended up shooting him in the back; along with how many shots were actually fired. Unless they were rather close, it's hard to imagine that only 6 shots were fired.
Sad, sad affair with loss of life. |
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battousai47
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Land of the free, go figure...
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insert name here
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No, most cops lie. It's often to a cop's advantage to get people to give up their constitutional rights and give them information (whether it incriminates themselves or someone else). Most cops aren't lawyers, which means they probably understand their department protocol better than they understand the actual law, so bluffing goes with the territory. As for the sensationalism of these stories, people didn't riot in Ferguson or LA because of isolated incidents, they rioted because those incidents are all too typical. Police killing unarmed (often non-white) people doesn't happen in every encounter with the public, but it happens way too goddamn often. And we see it coming to light more and more thanks to new media technology like the internet consumer video technology. |
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Daemonblue
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I think it should be pointed out that the police changed their initial story after the autopsy came out and even went on record saying they didn't even question the officers about it when making their official statements.
At first, the police were claiming he lunged at the officers and so they shot him. When the autopsy came out and showed he was shot six times in the back (one in the center of the back, and five others including his shoulder, elbow, legs, and hand) they changed the story to he lunged at the officers at the bank they shot at him, he ran 100 yards to the panda express, and then he was shot again there. Also, there is NO reason to shoot a fleeing person in the back outside of him threatening someone else. If he was a threat to other people the police would have mentioned it already because it would only help their case, but they didn't. In the case of Kajieme Powell he had a knife, but was shot multiple times from what appears to be 15-20 feet away (the police initially claimed he was 3-4 feet away). When the police arrived, within a second of leaving their cars they they their weapons drawn, and within fifteen seconds shoot him about nine times and killed him. After he was killed they flipped him over and handcuffed him. This is all on video. Needless to say, it is very easy to make this story about race when you consider that black people get shot and killed by police damn near every single day when there are other options they can take other than shooting them. Edit: Also, the police were called because someone called in someone being suspicious in Hunt's case. |
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Eisenmann V
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Which doesn't really mean much about what he was doing - I've ended up on the ground at taserpoint because an idiot decided my umbrella in a bag looked like a rifle and called it in. |
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Mohawk52
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Chagen46
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I just want everyone to know that these are common neo-nazi taking points. This kid was shot because he was black. As an actual black person the amount of apologism in this thread is alarming. |
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Crowjack
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It seems that stuff like this has been happening alot more in the past few years. Becoming more frequent with each passing year. Almost every time the officers involved get away with it. I understand it is a difficult job but the LAW should still apply to them. They should not just be fired and be free to live among the rest of society. I mean just because a job is hard and accidents are more liable to happen people shouldn't just get away with it when they do. This should count for all high stress jobs surgeons, air traffic controllers, cops, etc...I am sick of government officials, cops, rich people, and all the celebrities getting away with everything. If I had been pulled over with drugs and got a dui multiple times I would be in jail. Not sitting next to Jimmy Fallon talking about my new movie that Im in and making millions of bucks for. In the very least I would be in drug court for atleast 2 years having to call and check what colors had to go and take a drug test the next day. Guess what, if I failed even 1 of those drug test I would be in jail or 2 more years would be added on to my having to take those test. All of which I would be having to pay ALOT of money for every time I took them. I wouldn't get to go before the judge and say I'm going into rehab ( a multi-million dollar private estate with a spa and all the luxurious ammeneties you could ever want ) to get clean. The world is sadly becoming worse at a very alarming rate.
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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As fas as we know there was a call about a suspicious person with a sword and then the police engaged the suspect, so I think it is safe to say that they were at a safe distance when the whole incident begun.
Allow me to explain his statement. He makes Mexico into a 1st world nation to mask the fact that the USA is one of the "most dangerous 1st world nation on Earth", only behind south Africa in homicides with firearms.
It bites isn't it? that you can no longer waver the "moral superiority" card. Let's forget for a moment that gun deaths in Mexico would mostly vanish in thin air if the USA stopped being the world #1 drug importer; let me tell you why I am lecturing you. If this incident had happened anywhere in Mexico, as in, cosplayer with a sword is killed in broad daylight by police with a bunch of witnesses to booth, those police would be under arrest pending investigation or would have flee into gun loving USA. For all our problems with violence and corruption, one of our problems is NOT having a police force with a license to kill. |
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Xshinobi
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Do law enforcement officers in the USA not have access to non lethal methods to deal with people? It seems like anytime law enforcement is called in the USA the first thing they lead with is a firearm.
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Kadmos1
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I suppose they do, but it wouldn't seem like as big a news article. Also, it depends on what you consider nonlethal. Some of the "safer" varieties would be water cannons, net guns, & stink bombs (but, these are often used for riot controls). |
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Shadowrun20XX
 Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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The police are the biggest gang in the world. They have each others back.
Hunt was in Utah, what con was he at? Maybe he was going to a costume party? Common sense will tell you not to walk around in public with a sword. Guns and swords in Utah are acceptable of course when you are dressed like everyone else. Since most of you do know Mugen and what cosplay is, I fully agree that It was ridiculous how the police handled the situation. A 22 year old man was shot six times in the back, the complete opposite of lunging at them with a lead sword. Most of the masses do not recognize the situation or our hobby. A male, alone, in costume, with a sword is not the norm. @ mangamuscle Have you ever been to Utah? Last edited by Shadowrun20XX on Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:29 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Gasero
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Police in the US absolutely have access to non-lethal means of enforcement. Based on recent discussions about military surplus items, however, I would assume that some of the equipment comes from military grants.
I've seen videos where police in Europe or Canada managed to apprehend an aggressive suspect using beanbag guns, tasers, mace, etc. I honestly do not think that officers in the US are trained to protect and serve. Seems like the training is focused on "apprehend or eliminate". When I look at a picture of a group of police officers and 70% of them are overweight it makes me more afraid for officer safety than my own. Those officers don't look like they are trained to protect anyone. |
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Kadmos1
Posts: 13558 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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revolutionotaku, the problem with Tasers are that they probably lead to more deaths than the other tools I mentioned.
Last edited by Kadmos1 on Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:04 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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