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Fanservice is just a cultural difference, though.

Nope, base pandering to the lowest common denominator transcends cultures.

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Is hand drawn cell animation become a thing of the past, then? Everyone is using Renderman and Paintman and it's all virtually the equivalent of Flash animation epidemic in US shows?

Cel animation is, but some artists still use paper for character line-art. No one's going to be hand-inking the transparent cels, layering them, and then photographing them onto film unless they're rich hipsters.

the fact that in Japan, people generally don't poke their noses into things that don't immediately interest them, and everyone tends to keep their hobbies to themselves.

then you must think some of the art of the masters throughout the history of man that has nudity was just pandering to the lowest common denominator and people who don't admit it now are just in denial.

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then you must think some of the art of the masters throughout the history of man that has nudity was just pandering to the lowest common denominator and people who don't admit it now are just in denial.

I'm not necessarily against nudity as an expression of art. But fanservice, by its definition, is service for the fans. If nudity has no purpose but to be fanservice, it's not art--it's immoral, skeevy junk that reeks of a desperate attempt to hook people.

And what if the creators actually like it themselves? I'd bet 99% of the time the creators are just being true to themselves and are NOT any attempt to hook people. They are channeling their inner desire or their id. In other words, what happens if the artist likes something erotic AND I like something erotic? By your logic, such a thing is impossible!

But In fact most of the time they need to be held back in order to pander to the mainstream. You cannot by definition, pander if you actually do what you like. And every single artist who has done fanserivce actually turns out to like it themselves if you actually read the interviews or look at their past works or doujinshi.

What is really telling is some of these same people that just put down anime fanservice, then turn around and want to talk about what happened on the latest ep of the US sexomedy last night. The fact is US television is every bit as corrupted by fanservice as Japanese anime. A lot of it is just audible instead of visual. Though, there is plenty of visual examples in recent years as well. It is amazing that some of these people can get so bent out of shape, and then have blinders on when it comes to US broadcasts.

What is really telling is some of these same people that just put down anime fanservice, then turn around and want to talk about what happened on the latest ep of the US sexomedy last night. The fact is US television is every bit as corrupted by fanservice as Japanese anime. A lot of it is just audible instead of visual. Though, there is plenty of visual examples in recent years as well. It is amazing that some of these people can get so bent out of shape, and then have blinders on when it comes to US broadcasts.

While they have merit, my stomach sinks whenever there's major hoopla over titles like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, and anything by Miyazaki. I've got nothing against these shows, but I get frustrated with the fact that mainstream America has yet to move on from them. There's so much more to anime and manga than those titles.

Yeah, just look at all those panty shots in The Big Bang Theory!

Well, I think when peopel are referring to fansevice they specifically mean the pointless and pandering type. Like say, a busty girl's late for school and those things are jiggling so unnaturally it's scary with such a lack of subtlety. And the focus on it is immense. And it doesn't add anything to what you just watched. It was just sort of there to please some horny viewers who don't feel like watching actual porn.