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INTEREST: Lerche Comiket Goods Includes Ranpo Kitan Hugging Pillow


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bored-otaku



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:53 am Reply with quote
Wow....... All this butthurt over a little hugging pillow with a fictional character drawn on it? Yikes Shocked
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Rederoin



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:59 am Reply with quote
bored-otaku wrote:
Wow....... All this butthurt over a little hugging pillow with a fictional character drawn on it? Yikes Shocked

Welcome to the 'mainsteam' anime western fanbase.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:59 am Reply with quote
Doomroar wrote:


TL;DR: Societies advance, values advance with societies, and if someone can't adapt then the problem is with the person, and will remain so until they can demonstrate otherwise, be reformed, or eliminated, and this is not about acting a fictional scenario or not in real life, but just the mere inability to not derive pleasure from the fictional scenario presented, in this case pedophilia.


+10000

This sexualizing of young prepubescent fictional characters wether on pillows or in anime (like boku no pico) is disgusting, morally repugnant and yeah should be made illegal. The fact that it is fantasy doesn't excuse anything. These are products aimed at grown ups. Why can't grown ups have sexual fantasies about adult men or women ? Why does it have to be child like characters ? And no, it's not the same thing to sexualize an adult man/woman or do it to a kid even in fantasy. As for the first one that says that fantasy has no incidence on real life, look at publicity/advertising. Publicity/advertising is based on promoting "not real life ideals". And it works. And that's the reason why in most civilised societies advertising is regulated wether on tv, in print, in sports etc...
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bored-otaku



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:16 am Reply with quote
Rederoin wrote:
Welcome to the 'mainsteam' anime western fanbase.


You're telling me, buddy. By the way, in regards to your earlier comment about the goods being sold only at Comiket, there are a few websites that sell goods that were sold at Comiket - probably just what was left over, but still. You might try finding some of them if you want this pillow. I, myself, might do that as well.
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Rederoin



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:17 am Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
What the heck is the point in drawing a girl and calling it a boy anyway?

Just look up the otokonoko sub-culcture in Japan.
But the TL;DR is thats its either cute or a fetish.

Doomroar wrote:


So eventually we got the idea that children for whatever reason deserve some minimal levels of protection, protection that no one is really invested on enforcing (mostly because no institution of power really cares about children, which are mostly just used as political means, but not as objectives themselves), and thus we still have child slavery, labor exploitation, and child pornography in various media, among other imparities, some even existing without mayor problem even when they should not, despite this being perfectly defined as an undesirable factors in society, for their sole ideas are already contrary to the main principle of protecting and promoting the protection of children,

Since when do fictional children need any protection?
People are free to think its wrong all they want, just not enforce it with censorship laws.

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some may delude themselves that their shameless support for fictional pedophilia is fine as long as no action is taken against real children, ignoring that their support for fictional pedophilia is already an act of violence against children.

Haha, are you serious?


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the whole point of this all is to keep order and control.

By enforcing your views on everybody? Even when what they do is not harming anybody?
Sounds a bit dystopian to me.

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So when someone appears trying to engage in an anti-value within a society, this subject is already rebelling against the established norms,
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Oh the horror, somebody doing somebody in private in his own home that you disagree with!
Clearly the kind of person that should be thrown into jail.


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and for that their only argument so far is that works of fiction have no repercussions on reality and thus possess no harm, but this is a fallacy for the sole representation is already an exposition of support for a problematic behavior which should be removed from the root, a behavior that comes from the consumers themselves in the form of desire, so the problem never was if someone acts on it, or if a child is harmed by it, the problem lies within an inability of fall in line and embrace the imposed values, is a problem of order and obedience first,

By that logic, Russia's anti-gay laws are fine because being gay does not fit in with Russia's societal values.



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TL;DR: Societies advance, values advance with societies, and if someone can't adapt then the problem is with the person, and will remain so until they can demonstrate otherwise, be reformed, or eliminated, and this is not about acting a fictional scenario or not in real life, but just the mere inability to not derive pleasure from the fictional scenario presented, in this case pedophilia.

You would really love to live a in dystopia, it seems.
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Actar



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:24 am Reply with quote
Rederoin wrote:

You would really love to live a in dystopia, it seems.


LOL, that's exactly what I was thinking.



Let's just ban everything people don't like without due cause!
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Rederoin



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:28 am Reply with quote
It should be noted that this body pillow is rather tame compared to most other body pillows.
Not even a hint of nudity.
bored-otaku wrote:
Rederoin wrote:
Welcome to the 'mainsteam' anime western fanbase.


You're telling me, buddy. By the way, in regards to your earlier comment about the goods being sold only at Comiket, there are a few websites that sell goods that were sold at Comiket - probably just what was left over, but still. You might try finding some of them if you want this pillow. I, myself, might do that as well.

Hmm.. maybe I should look into trying to order the Saika one then. Assuming its not too expansive because of limited supplies.
As for Kobayashi, i'll just hope they'll release a mousepad of him, lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:17 am Reply with quote
Doomroar wrote:
support for fictional pedophilia is already an act of violence against children.


OK..... try and explain this using any reasonable argument. How is someone watching fictional pedophilia harming real children?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:33 am Reply with quote
This is brilliant. Smile
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Rederoin



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:35 am Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
Doomroar wrote:
support for fictional pedophilia is already an act of violence against children.


OK..... try and explain this using any reasonable argument. How is someone watching fictional pedophilia harming real children?

Something something society something everybody needs to be sheep something.
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blackice85



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:45 am Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
Doomroar wrote:
support for fictional pedophilia is already an act of violence against children.


OK..... try and explain this using any reasonable argument. How is someone watching fictional pedophilia harming real children?


This is what I keep coming back to whenever I see this discussion. The real thing requires harming actual children to create the content, but that's not the case with fictional media. There is no cause and effect here between creating and consuming fictional media and harming real children.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:57 am Reply with quote
Actar wrote:
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm and vitriol? (Anime smallmouthWink The argument against your stand here is that "100% repulsive" is subjective. What is repulsive to some might not be to others as everyone has a different tolerance level. If we pander to every single person's idea of objectionable content, no one can say anything anymore. In a world where freedom of expression exists, the onus is on the person not to get offended (by arguing back, dealing with it or ignoring it) as opposed to silencing the dissenting opinion.


No sarcasm, I was 100% sincere. I absolutely believe in freedom of expression, even for disgusting filth like this. I also believe in my freedom to express disgust for filth like this. There is no onus on me to not be offended, I'm free to be offended and express my loathing of works like this just as much as these works are free to express their garbage.

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Ignoring the fact that morals are not set in stone, if you want to pull out the "historically" card to justify violence, I can just as easily say that at one point in human history before we became civilized and invented the idea of morality, any human who had reached puberty could be considered a potential mate. After all, propagating the species was the priority and how is that not beneficial for the human race? (Anime smallmouthWink Not to mention, utilitarianism dictates that the action will indeed be moral.


From an evolutionary perspective, I'd imagine we became 'civilized' regarding the acceptable age-frames for sexuality because we realized that the burdens of child-bearing would wreck the lives of young children and their offspring in a modern context. IIRC social reform largely happened in England when royalty became aware of child prostitution occurring on the streets of London, and photographs of pregnant brothel children became a hot social topic. We've since morally delayed the socially recommended age of child-birth to a time frame when we consider people to be of a mental and financial stability to best deal with child-rearing, because children bearing children wasn't just a terrible way to propagate the species, but allowed for enormous unexpected burdens of parenthood on children not yet mentally and emotionally ready to deal with the responsibility of it. Allowing for sex at earlier ages also put children at risk to be sexually preyed on by adults, due to their youth, inexperience and trust placed on the guidance of older generations. Humans are at a point in the natural chain where evolution takes place not just genetically, but culturally as well, and so social mores adjust with time to best advance the species in the context of civilization. We discourage children from engaging in sex because they're not ready for the responsibilities of parenthood in our modern world, and we discourage adults from engaging in sex with children because we see it as someone of a higher position emotionally/physically manipulating an inexperienced youth to one's own selfish ends.

Violence on the other hand has a degree of moral ambiguity and subjectivity, and in many cases can be seen as justified depending on the context. In comparison, there's hardly any context in the modern day where the sexual exploitation of inexperienced youths can be seen as morally justifiable.

None of which has any direct bearing on freedom of expression to make trash like these pillows. However, as an artistic expression designed for viewer consumption, it's perfectly understandable to react in disgust at even the imaginary suggestion of child pedophilia.
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Rederoin



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:04 am Reply with quote
Kikaioh wrote:

None of which has any direct bearing on freedom of expression to make trash like these pillows. However, as an artistic expression designed for viewer consumption, it's perfectly understandable to react in disgust at even the imaginary suggestion of child pedophilia.

Just like its okay to act disgusted at the people who want it banned.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:37 am Reply with quote
The DVD artwork of Sakura Capsule looks lovely with its pastel-like coloring.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:56 am Reply with quote
Kikaioh wrote:
I whole-heartedly support freedom of expression. At the end of the day though, if your fetish involves a vile, disgusting slime of a concept, there's also nothing wrong with expressing an opinion that the work is utter, contemptible filth. It 100% has the right to exist, and it's also 100% repulsive. Sounds about right to me.


The problem is that the people who are disgusted by stuff like this have a bad habit of trying to remove it from society entirely... Like this dude:

Cptn_Taylor wrote:
This sexualizing of young prepubescent fictional characters wether on pillows or in anime (like boku no pico) is disgusting, morally repugnant and yeah should be made illegal.


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