Forum - View topicINTEREST: Pearl Diver Mascot Controversy Continues to Rage
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enurtsol
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They'd be in for a rude awakening bait 'n switch! 
 
Betty White
Maybe the ladies could wear this perfect chest cosplay outfit:
They would've known these issues ahead of time if in the first place they'd just asked the ama to be advisers during the whole process, like nowadays Native Americans would be part of the process when designing any new Native American mascot. At least no taxpayer money was spent:
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mdreura
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This comment put the foolishness of this whole story and discussion thread into perspective and make perfect sense for me. I don't know why you've found it necessary to repeat yourself and not gotten any reply comments. Thank you. |
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Mohawk52
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Kikaioh
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You're right. There's no need to compromise. They should just dump this trashy mascot and the designer altogether, and go with someone less sleazy that will actually respect their tradition, instead of taking advantage of it for the sake of tourism.
Yeah, a really fantastic job. For a late night anime or ero-manga. And I'd think the divers would be more interested in attracting young women to their tradition, as opposed to sexually frustrated young men. |
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TarsTarkas
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@Kikaioh
The diving group complaining and the town council that approved the designs are two separate entities with two separate intentions. The promotion is not about the diving group, but rather about the town and its history. The town council wanted a mascot to bring in tourism, and the diving group wants that mascot to better reflect them as they are an important part of the history of the town. I perfectly understand why the diving group doesn't like the mascot. They probably didn't have any input in what was being done and feel it taints their pure livelihood. The town council doesn't care about realistic portrayals of pearl diving life, they want tourism dollars. The town council has already compromised by having the animator make some minor changes to address the complaints. But I don't believe the town council will completely trash the promotion. There probable is no danger of them being voted out of office over this. As many in the U.S. already know, city councils rarely do what their constituents want or care about. It's all about the money. If the diving group feels that strongly about their group, they should go to local schools and regional fairs, and talk about their livelihood. Human interaction is always better than a mascot when it comes to getting new blood into a not so well known business or hobby. But you have used the terms sleazy, trashy, and other not so nice terms to describe the animator's work. Maybe if the animator had used Panty and Stocking as the basis for the character design you might have a point, but the character design is not that. I would even say that the character design is a family friendly one at that. |
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Kikaioh
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That's the issue right there. You have a city council selfishly usurping these people's tradition and sexing it up to attract customers. It's politics and money talking, not respect for cultural heritage. As for whether it's family friendly or not, the mascot was certainly drawn in an art-style largely used in male otaku-oriented works, with clothing that's unrealistically skin tight (certainly pronouncing her breasts beyond the normalcy of clothing physics) and making a point to reveal her bares legs. On its own it isn't necessarily an overtly offensive piece, but it's the underlying intent to use a sexy moe mascot to rake in tourists at the expense of a still-practiced tradition that makes the motivations and subsequent design trashy and sleazy. |
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TarsTarkas
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If you want to call the town council sleazy and exploitative, I have no problem with that.
But the character design and the animator are not. |
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Kikaioh
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As far as I'm concerned, the artist is complicit in the sexualization of the pearl diver's tradition, and is just as sleazy and trashy as the city council for knowingly rendering a gross misrepresentation of their work (and judging by the art style, I wouldn't be surprised if the idea to physically sex up the character came from the artist either).
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TarsTarkas
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This is what is wrong with today's society. You have more in common with the Puritans, than you do with the generations before you. You all seem hell bent on sucking the beauty out of life.
You act like she is wearing a plug suit, and that somehow showing some bare leg is sinful. I am done, nothing good will come of further discussion. At least from me. |
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strawberry-kun
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Look at his/her post history. Nearly the entire first two pages is him/her raging at otaku. Discussion is pointless. |
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Kikaioh
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There's nothing wrong with sex, nudity, fetishes, the female form, etc. I can enjoy shows from Kekko Kamen to Prison School and not blink an eye at the excess skin and sexuality on display. But context is key. This sleazy fiasco is basically exploiting an ancient tradition by using sex to misrepresent it, appealing to the base natural desires of men for political/monetary gain while falsely presenting an existing worker's group, whose voice regarding their 'official' governmental mascot has largely gone ignored. It's directly disrespectful to actual living people and how they wish to be publicly presented. @strawberry-kun: Either add to the discussion, or message by pm. This thread isn't about your perception of me. |
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strawberry-kun
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I'm sorry, but I didn't realize that you were a mod 
You are right though. This thread isn't about my perception of you. It's just yet another soapbox for you to throw around insults and be offended at yet another stupid otaku thing. How many pages of post history before it becomes soapboxing? We're at two. Do we need 3? 4? 5?
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Kikaioh
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@strawberry-kun: No. This thread isn't going to be turned into your personal tirade against me. You're ignored.
If that's all that @TarsTarkas has to say in response, there's nothing left for me to discuss here. |
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strawberry-kun
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Okay, I won't post since I rarely actually post on this site, but I'll be sure to laugh to myself in the next inevitable thread where you have another freak out. See ya!
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Hameyadea
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I understand that they want that their mascot will reflect their behaviour/dress code/occupation as accurately as possible, but it isn't mandatory.
Kellogg's mascot for their Frosted Flakes brand, Tony the Tiger, can give a thumbs-up 
Real tiger don't have opposable thumbs 
This time, the creators chose a not-so-literal representation. |
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