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FenixFiesta
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Maybe in "Macross Delta: THE MOVIE" but it is safe to say Messer's fate is far from ambiguous. |
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Cam0
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Oh, no doubt. It was just a thought. You know like maybe he goes into coma and miraculously wakes up in the final episode. Doesn't seem like it'll happen though. Whatever bits and pieces that are left of Messer in that cockpit will go crashing down into the ground. That's probably relatively fatal.
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Beltane70
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote, but Lady M hasn't even been introduced. Mikumo and Lady M aren't likely the same person. |
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FenixFiesta
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Fair enough, but I still stand by Mikumo being the mentor for a number of moments between her and Freyja as well as the nature than any of the Walkure that were not Mikumo or Freyja have been treated as second tier characters. |
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Vaisaga
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Mikumo's more of a 'pusher' than a mentor. All she really did was keep insulting and threatening Freyja until Freyja figured things out on her own.
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FenixFiesta
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...which was very much the mirror relationship that Messer has with Hayate. Messer may have put on a face to keep people distant but he truly cared for the rest of his squad which defined his final moments. Mikumo has displayed on several performances that she puts herself physically in front of the rest of the Walkure regardless if she may or may not have "one more ace up her sleeve" her actions define that she will put herself in harms way for the sake of the group. The only thing the show needs to do now is introduce "a NEW rookie who quickly turns ace" and maybe a few more tropes and this show will be hard to distinguish with overly short descriptions from the other Macross incarnations. |
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Vaisaga
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The comparisons between Mikumo and Messer was spelled out for us a few episodes ago.
But we're not comparing them to each other, we're comparing them to the true Macross type doomed mentor figures. The Roy Fockers, the Kinryus, and the Ozuma Lees. Arad fits that mold, Messer doesn't. |
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FenixFiesta
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Except he lived, the one that died in Frontier was Mikhail whom still evoked Roy Focker by being a close buddy to the lead character pilot as well as already being part of the SMS before Alto's enlistment. |
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Vaisaga
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As I said, Kawamori likes pulling fasts ones on us, specifically in Ozuma case. I just don't think he'd pull the same trick twice in a row, though.
But anyways, we're just talking broad archetypes here. Messer and Mikumo are not cut from the same cloth as Roy and his ilk. |
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Stark700
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Episode 11
Well that pretty much settles it. RIP Messer. I mean, there was no way he could of survived that and the funeral confirms it again. Meanwhile, the Aerial Knights and Windermereans make their grand move so I expect a big battle coming. Gramia's plan to launch the Protoculture warship (cool design imo) can also cause quite the trouble. |
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FenixFiesta
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Ep 11
It was an expected low key episode, the cast reflects upon Messer's sacrifice and give a personal resolution for the efforts against Windermere's advance. The Protoculture Warship is an intriguing surprise, I can only assume that its scale is supposed to be on par with a Macross class battleship. |
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Cam0
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Great sendoff. Although Hayate said he would fight hard enough for them not to need a new pilot, the captain's gotta get someone to fill Messer's place, right? They can't go up against Windarmere a man down. Now, I wanna see Windarmere's new toy go up against one of those massive Macross thingies.
Who's Lady M though? Did I miss the part where they explained who it is? Or do we just not know yet? |
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FenixFiesta
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Yeah, it is kind of silly Hayate boasting that he can "fight hard enough to take Messer's place" but he certainly can't be in more than one place at a time. I will be surprised if there is no replacement for Messer as him leaving the Delta squad was already underway, simply the current trend of events just meant it would be "permanent". |
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Vaisaga
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She's been mentioned a few times. She runs Chaos, the PMC Delta squadron belongs to, apparently. |
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Beltane70
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I'm part of a group of people that really hopes that Lady M is Mirage's aunt, Mylene Jenius. Other's have hinted at Myung from Macross Plus.
One of the things that I really enjoy about Delta is how much of a role relics left behind by the Protoculture are playing in the show. |
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