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WashuTakahashi
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I still watch it anyways, but every time it gets to the scene of "please fill my womb!" I just lose it. What's so hot about a scene of the inside of a vagina getting filled with sperm? And it's in at least 50% of hentai (probably more...) Though that's not as bad as the ones that show you the inside of the vagina DURING. Like...nope...not what I came here for... I'd be more interested in an article that explains what about that the Japanese find sexy xD |
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Mohawk52
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One has to keep in mind that hentai is usually targeting males that would never actually see real female genitals, let alone be able to do anything with them, except on a photo, or drawing unless they paid for the act in the ages old tradition.
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Cutiebunny
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One of my favorite convention pastimes is to peer over the shoulder of good male friends actively browsing the hentai selections, and make comments like "That's a pretty kosher" and commenting how sad I am that tentacles were not being featured. The best part is observing the reactions from the other men looking through the stacks. Hilarious. |
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Mr. Nescio
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P.S. I haven't studied evolutionary psychology in any way. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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I can't speak that much about the yaoi fandom and what not but there seem to be largely three camps from my experience in dealing in yaoi content at my booth.
The first is the mainstream/traditionally first picked/seen titles These are generally the sugary sweet guy on guy alot of the titles that are viewed as the most unrealistic/backlashed yaoi can be found here. The biggest example is Junjou Romantica and other Shungiku Nakamura titles. The ones seen as the best in the category are love stage and gravitation. then there is a middle groundish area where you have Dramatical murder and other nitro plus chiral games. These titles generally can be similar to the dark otome title like diabolik lover/ dance with devils, though are generally better done. these mix in a lot of dark violence and other terrors into a strong plot with strong romance to them. And then the third level is generally the smutt level where it is all about putting the boys in to various horrors/ pretty much just sex and a few lines of actual dialogue/ context for the sex possibly. And to reference what justin said, yes most bara goes on the third or second level depending on the story/author. You can get a lot of different tropes depending upon what level you are on. but to a large extent that has been reading on what people who read yaoi tend to look for/ want to get out of it. Last edited by Tanteikingdomkey on Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:07 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Cetais
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"Straight sex"... Yeah, we know what you want to say, but that's the most inappropriate use for the term "straight" xD |
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H. Guderian
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I really haven't encountered this trend much, but typically what I have found is that it is simply not mentioned, and the Identity itself just isn't as huge of a thing. Most people won't find another person of a non-standard type unless they advertise it. But in anime/manga 'getting together' be it in yuri/yaoi tends to happen after a few suggestive lines and now they're bangin'. In reality its not that easy, so people have to address/advertise what they are in hopes of getting what we all want. We're used to someone in reality "Coming Out" and embracing their new Identity and -then- trying to get into a stable relationship(or screw around). Anime and Manga kinda bypass all the gruff and unfriendly stuff and get us right to the relationship drama itself and not the lifelong gamble that we may not find a person at all. Plus combine this factor with the Japanese not dragging something like their personal identity into the public sphere and we find the topic at hand simply doesn't come up in real life, much less in fantasy.
But on the good side sometimes anime and manga does it right, and fairly often. Contrast this to many places people are still giddy and excited that for the first time 'this big franchise/company/show/sport will finally do it!' Anime, we've got the best and worst. |
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scarletrhodelia
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Justin, thank you so much for your considered, thoughtful answer. I do talks on yaoi manga at local anime conventions, and stress many of the points you cover. So many people still think that yaoi is gay literature. The first thing I say after going over my terms (BL, shounen-ai, and yaoi) is that yaoi is written by women for women, to the erotic tastes of women, and is not meant to be representative of real gay men and real gay lifestyles. All the tropes (I cover about nine) serve a purpose for the female reader. The trope described is the one I call “I’m Straight Except for You.” The purpose of that one is that it allows the reader to believe that if it wasn’t for that one guy there, the main character who is actually straight
 would choose her.
BTW, the preferred term for works by and for gay men is now “gei komi”, although I think “bara” is still a useful descriptor for that particular muscular art style in both gei komi and yaoi. On the “female gaze” - I recently covered that as part of a panel on smut manga. Briefly, it 1) exists, and 2) is not just a reversal of the male gaze. |
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Mohawk52
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Parsifal24
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I spent years trying to understand Yaoi and finally just had to go "I'm a straight guy I don't think I'll ever get it" and move on. Not to say a few of the titles I read in that time period were bad I still like Little Butterfly and Alcohol, Shirt and Kiss are both titles I like.
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Fenrin
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Funny you featured that video when I saw it the other day, it made me quite hopeful
I don't quite understand why bara is held to such high regard for being 'made for gay guys' when most of it is just porn of muscly guys. In fact I don't think I've seen a single one with a story that lasted longer than a oneshot. And like a lot of yaoi it is not very realistic; but on the other hand I've found yaoi/bl that features more realistic characters and experiences, wih actual storylines.....could just be that there is more yaoi being made, but I still don't understand it... |
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Cetais
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While I'm there, everyone should get a look at Otouto no Otto, it's a really great manga that gives a certain perspective to the gay world in Japan. Too bad it isn't legally translated yet. |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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Struggling to accept your sexuality is something that happens in long, sober conversations with yourself during quiet moments. There's a lot of bargaining with yourself and ridiculous justifications of stuff you did in the heat of the moment, long after the fact. The yaoi troupe is more like yelling "B-but I'm straight!" WHILE having gay sex and clearly enjoying it. When a guy is horny and hanging out with someone he's into, all such brain activity stops. Whether they're admitting what they're after in the end or not, they're more or less running on instinct at those times. The sort of protesting and questioning that happens in yaoi is far more congruous with straight Japanese porn's constant utterances of, "mou... yamette!" |
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WashuTakahashi
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That's fair enough then xD I've only read/watched maybe 10 yaoi series myself, so I haven't come across it too much. Or maybe it just didn't bother me in the way it was presented. Most times I can remember encountering it, it was either before or after the act, it'd be pretty annoying if they were constantly saying it during. But I'm also the straight female yaoi is mainly geared towards, so I'm probably biased in some way xD |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Yay I will edit that to remove any possibly of a double meaning... |
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