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erinfinnegan
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I think it's just North American English, specifically (do Canadians eat bundt cake?)... but a lot of N. American English speakers happened to have watched this show.
I Lolled.
I really think the whole thing with spoiler[the purity checks] was mostly for titillation, and a fairly crappy plot device secondarily.
That is too funny, because it means that DiTVB offends "prudes" but fails to be a good lolicon show. But maybe that was the intention all along, to shake up some mainstream prudes. If that's the case, what's an example of a "good" loli show?
Show me a non-perishable "loli" series and we can all avoid taxes and cheat death. And as for that GE 999...
He seems a bit messed up, but mostly just misguided. I think he's more sympathetic in the movie based on your complaints about the TV series. Also, it's fairly obvious in the movie who Tetsuro's estranged father really is spoiler[there are a lot of hints that it's Harlock], which I think helps to explain his violent adventuring streak and how he seems to be on his way to being a lady killer when he's older. |
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Anymouse
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PetrifiedJello
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Princess Tutu. However, I seriously doubt I'll get the chance to tell both death and the IRS to go to hell. 
It was fun playing, though. See you when you review Strike Witches 2. 
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ArsenicSteel
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I am certain that saying "DiTVB is not masturbation material" is not saying it fails at being a good lolicon show. Oh well other good loli shows would be Higurashi, Kanamemo, Kodomo no Jikan, and Nanoha. All have varying degrees of objectification and none would be masturbation material, for me anyway. |
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maaya
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Princess Tutu is great, but it's not a "loli series"? oO It's a children's show. Or did it include loli-fanservice? I admit it's been some time since I watched the show, but definitely can't remember anything (the simple fact of having young characters doing ballet is not enough imho) that would justify classifying Tutu in the same category as DitVB or Strike Witches or even Nanoha (which was intended for an adult audience). But of course, Erin should watch Princess Tutu if she hasn't seen it already. Just as Beast Player Erin ... which is about as "loli" as Tutu imho.
Seriously? If you want Erin to have a shocking confirmation of the "loli = perishable" opinion, you recommend that show to her xD DitVB is completely innocent in comparison. |
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Youkai Warrior
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I love vampires and werewolves, but I refuse to see Dance in the Vampire Bund, I've seen previews of it and it looked exactly as Erin described it. I like my vampires to be evil, dark and conniving, and not some prepubescent lolicon girl with a crush and exploding clothes.
Awesome collection Zach, very cool. |
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Megiddo
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That doesn't really matter. Erin was able to take a perfectly tame small scene of the girls in Gunslinger Girl at the beach and turn it into a tirade about the sexual exploitation of children. I'm sure Erin could find something in Princess Tutu. |
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asimpson2006
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Kodomo no Jikan is not that bad of a show. The loli content wasn't that bad. DitBV is not that bad of a show either. |
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ArsenicSteel
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Erin's tendency for loli=perishable(I don't read Shelf Life much and have not made the connection) is not something I am talking about. I answered what are "good" loli shows. |
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erinfinnegan
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For some reason Strike Witches 2 hasn't arrive in the mail yet. Someone on Twitter said Kamichu, which is nearly Shelf Worthy. I mean I don't own it, but I liked it... maybe if it was a thinpack. Those Geneon releases were mega-pricey for a show I was on the fence about. Of course I have seen/love/own Princess Tutu.
I have heard the argument that good loli material does not equate to good masturbation material. I am interested (sincerely) in hearing more about this. I liked Higurashi when it wasn't the OVAs. I haven't seen the others.
We've been over the Gunslinger Girl thing before. Princess Tutu did not start off as a hentai doujinshi, at least not that I know of. |
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Megiddo
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Ya never know. I've read a lot of interviews with Junichi Sato, and some of them really paint him as a lolicon (particularly the ones on the Kaleido Star DVDs).
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treatment
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Tsukuyomi Moonphase is STILL damn awesome! At least, the japanese version. The loli-ness is very blatant, very deliberate, very obvious, and very much part of the whole comedy ala fourth wall breaking technique... 
Btw, reckon you really gotta clearly define what you think is "loli", erin. I mean, you know, some of us oldtimers still consider Madoka Ayukawa of KOR as "loli". unfortunately, most people nowadays think "loli" refers to pre-teen designed characters. 
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vashfanatic
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First of all, it's been a while for me, so I may have been thinking of the wrong episode. Second, Wikipedia is not exactly 100% trustworthy. Third, they didn't do it to him, which eliminates the "he wasn't acting rationally because they killed his mother" argument for his first batch of mass murders. But lastly, that, along with this:
...makes me realize we have radically different measures of morality. Let's start with Magneto first. He is a villain. Why? Because he believes that committing mass-murder of innocents is all right if it justifies his final goals. He's sympathetic because we understand where he's coming from, what's he's been going through, and because indeed some of his arguments have evidence behind them. But he's still a villain, albeit an antivillain. You can understand his position, but he's still wrong. Nowhere in the comics or in their movie adaptations does it try to say that Magneto is right and Dr. Xavier is wrong, that all humans really do need to be wiped out before they wipe out mutants. Second, again, while I understand his reaction to the death of his own mother, Tetsuro does not have any more right than anyone else to commit murder on anyone he determines to "deserve" it. And I would have to go back and look it up again, but I am very sure there is an episode where he kills someone who didn't deserve it. And again, all of this I would be absolutely okay with if Maetel wasn't constantly telling him he's a sweet and innocent boy, because he's not. His mother was murdered in front of him, and he gunned down everyone who killed her. He should be a tragic antihero. It was the dissonance that really got to me. If she at some point she shuts up about it, or the series examines the real outcomes of his fall from innocence, that would be okay. But the dissonance just killed me. |
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Surrender Artist
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I think that he only kills a few machine-men in the film and there is none or very little insistence that he's sweet or innocent, so it should be more palatable to you. Even so, Tetsuro, though often shown as quite good-natured, has an angry, confused side and, as I wrote earlier, the film never repudiates his desire for revenge, although developing a more mature motive for his actions is a part of the story. As a matter of chronology, which I might have wrong since I've only read about the series, not watched it, spoiler[Tetsuro doesn't confront Count Mecha until quite a ways into the film, whereas I understand that this happens in the first episode of the series.] I do think that there is an oddly dissonant note in the film in that spoiler[it makes great hay of how bad mechanization is, but portrays Tochiro becoming the eternal soul of the Arcadia as a good thing.] I strangely more curious to watch the series now just to see if I have the same problem with the character and to compare it to the films.
Well, you'll have an answer to that question after you watch the sequel. |
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enurtsol
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What?! Never ever heard that, even in the height of her popularity! 
She's high-school-mature-looking and -acting; she smokes/smoked; she dances sultry in night clubs; she doesn't act like an age-regressed loli; she doesn't remind ya of a dainty little girl at all. Surely you're not confusing her with her best friend?
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