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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:34 pm Reply with quote
Malintex Terek wrote:

What I don't get is, "why"? Only a clown would actually buy those uncut DVDs; sure, there was an incentive with 4Kids because they went overboard with the censorship, but spending $15 to see some jackarse smoking a cigarette instead of sucking a lolipop? Or simmilarly small stuff, plus cursing in the subtitles? Ooh, so bold and original! If I wasn't a hard-working student and instead had "mommy and daddy" to buy everything I wanted, I'd almost feel bad about spending their money on such an exorbitant good.

Of course, I could say this about all anime fandoms (I'm looking at you, Naruto), but I know full well the OP fandom won't support the English language edition even if they claim to do so - heck, the anime itself promotes and supports acts of piracy,


Obviously I'm praying to the wrong god.
Malintex Terek is obviously all-knowing & wiser than all of us.

Obviously wiser than all those insane football fans who spend I-don't-want-to-know how much to sit in the stadium to see the SuperBowl. Same for baseball & the World Series. Fans who travel from town to town to support their teams. Paint their bodies & parade their pot-bellies around for all (including the tv audience) to see, Let's not forget concerts or live performances of any kind.

I always get water in a restaurant since I feel it's a waste to spend more than the cost of a 2 ltr for a glass of soda. And always felt good about the money I save never picking up the drinking or smoking habit--just anime.

Gee, I always figured buying the dvds at least I'm in some way supporting the creator (I know I like to get paid for my work) & unlike a concert or a sporting event, I can watch my dvd again & again.

SaveOnePiece wrote:
fighterholic wrote:
SaveOnePiece wrote:
If you read Viz slop, please don't argue with the true fans.

"True" fans? Please define "true" fans for me then Rolling Eyes


Those who import the manga or DVDS
Those who know Japanese (I do not)
Those who buy the DVDS if released uncut in their country
Those who know the main character of a series attack names
Those who despise the crap Viz throw on bookshelves
Those who import the games
Those who import the merchendise
Those who buy the English merchendise if released correctly.
Those who watch the series subbed or raw
Those who respect the author of the manga and the staff of the anime by not buying/watching/reading edited and westernized versions of their works.


Let's see...respect the author by STEALING his work. Yep. True fan.

Gee, I figured buying the licensed version, thus putting some change in his pocket would be more appreciated.

Every copyright blurb I've read states something to the effect it is expressly forbidden to copy, etc the material without the WRITTEN permission of the copyright holder, so unless the people posting raws & fansubs have received such permission, they are breaking the copyright law & most assuredly not respecting the rights of the creator since s/he is doing this for a living (ie to make a buck) so if there is an agreement in place to sell the title in your country, you should be buying said version out of respect toi the author.

And I bought the dubbed version to support the title in the hope someone would see there is such support for the title & maybe give us the uncut version eventually.

A true fan doesn't need a list of who is & isn't a true fan.
A true fan doesn't really have to worry about who is or isn't a true fan. The fair weather/fad fans will always come & go, but if you like the thing, you like it.
The fair weather fans are useful in making the title popular enough for others to see it/discover it, making more fans eventually meaning there's less chance for the title to be dropped/canceled.


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SaveOnePiece



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
SaveOnePiece wrote:
Those who import the manga or DVDS
Those who know Japanese (I do not)
Those who buy the DVDS if released uncut in their country
Those who know the main character of a series attack names
Those who despise the crap Viz throw on bookshelves
Those who import the games
Those who import the merchendise
Those who buy the English merchendise if released correctly.
Those who watch the series subbed or raw
Those who respect the author of the manga and the staff of the anime by not buying/watching/reading edited and westernized versions of their works.
So, in other words, you're saying that the world revolves around you and what you think is right, and if people don't agree with your opinion, they are inferior to you and that their opinion means nothing at all? Please, save us all a lot of trouble and just stop talking now.


First off, I assume from your avatar that we are both fans of FMA Very Happy
Never said any of that stuff.
Why do anime fans always think I'm arrogant?
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SaveOnePiece



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:42 pm Reply with quote
fighterholic wrote:
I third Kouji, your logic is not logic at all, and will be sure to offend certain people already. Your definition of a true fan is contradictory to say the least, and not even catering to what benefits the author, producers of the anime, and the fans and consumers that make the whole system work.


It's kinda like saying that your Calvin and Hobbs avatar is taking money from the author....
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:57 pm Reply with quote
SaveOnePiece wrote:
fighterholic wrote:
I third Kouji, your logic is not logic at all, and will be sure to offend certain people already. Your definition of a true fan is contradictory to say the least, and not even catering to what benefits the author, producers of the anime, and the fans and consumers that make the whole system work.


It's kinda like saying that your Calvin and Hobbs avatar is taking money from the author....


No,
The Calvin & Hobbs icon is free advertising & thus tolerated because it's a small thing.

If he made a website selling icons, then it's be an issue. Yes, he has taken an image & copied it without permission, but the author is less likely to worry since it's expressing his fan-appreciation of Calvin & Hobbs. Like sports memorabilia. The fan who makes a home-made flag using the symbol of his/her fav team is tolerated for whowing his fan enthusiasm at the game, but if that fan makes a bunch & sells them, someone's going to take notice.

SaveOnePiece wrote:
How many anime dvds do you own

I have like 300 or so

What are your 2 fave anime

Bleach and Eyeshield 21

Next anime dvds you plan to get

Bleach 4
Naruto OVA and boxset 3
Bobobobobobobo 2
The Prince of Tennis boxset 1
Eureka 7 6 special version
Mai Hime 4-7
The rest of Tenchi in Tokyo and the Mihoshi Special
Hikaru No Go 1
Catch up on Detective Conan
FMP TSR final dvd
The Lupin dvd I need
Crayon Shin Chan
Thinking 'bout Black Cat

What about you?


Over 1800 anime dvds.

My pre-ordered items thru the end of this month

Kikaider 3
Innocent Bird 1
Allure
Mandayuu and Me
Crimson Wind
Love a la Carte 1
Challengers :Tyrant Falls in Love 1
Naked Jewels Corp 1-9/30 1/30
Love Me Sinfully: (Yaoi) 1/31
Chun Rhang Yhur Jhun 2
Naked Jewels Corp 2
Worthless Love
Cantarella 6
11th Cat 5
Jazz 4
Tenshi Ja Nai!! 6
1001 Nights 4
Lovely Sick 2
Love Pistols 1
Love Mode 5
The Sky over My Spectacles
Boy Princess 6
Night of the Beasts 3
Let Dai 6
Casino Lily
9th sleep
Rin 3
Kurashina sensei
Flower of Life 2
Hana-Kimi 17
Noein DVD 3
Ayakashi:Horror Tales 1
Thunderbolt Boys Excite 2
Saiyuki Reload Gunlock 7
One Piece DVD 8
Fake Fur
Beat BTX 2
Recipe for Gertrude 4
EL5
Finder 3
Paradise on the Hill
JUNK
Casino Lily
Scent of Temptation
Yebisu
Kizuna 8
Love Ballad
Heavenly Exec.Chiwoo 4
Lovely Sick 3
Reverse V1
Not Love
Angel or Devil
Not Love 4
Omen
Hare+Guu OVA


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SaveOnePiece



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:05 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
Malintex Terek wrote:

What I don't get is, "why"? Only a clown would actually buy those uncut DVDs; sure, there was an incentive with 4Kids because they went overboard with the censorship, but spending $15 to see some jackarse smoking a cigarette instead of sucking a lolipop? Or simmilarly small stuff, plus cursing in the subtitles? Ooh, so bold and original! If I wasn't a hard-working student and instead had "mommy and daddy" to buy everything I wanted, I'd almost feel bad about spending their money on such an exorbitant good.

Of course, I could say this about all anime fandoms (I'm looking at you, Naruto), but I know full well the OP fandom won't support the English language edition even if they claim to do so - heck, the anime itself promotes and supports acts of piracy,


Obviously I'm praying to the wrong god.
Malintex Terek is obviously all-knowing & wiser than all of us.

Obviously wiser than all those insane football fans who spend I-don't-want-to-know how much to sit in the stadium to see the SuperBowl. Same for baseball & the World Series. Fans who travel from town to town to support their teams. Paint their bodies & parade their pot-bellies around for all (including the tv audience) to see, Let's not forget concerts or live performances of any kind.

I always get water in a restaurant since I feel it's a waste to spend more than the cost of a 2 ltr for a glass of soda. And always felt good about the money I save never picking up the drinking or smoking habit--just anime.

Gee, I always figured buying the dvds at least I'm in some way supporting the creator (I know I like to get paid for my work) & unlike a concert or a sporting event, I can watch my dvd again & again.

SaveOnePiece wrote:
fighterholic wrote:
SaveOnePiece wrote:
If you read Viz slop, please don't argue with the true fans.

"True" fans? Please define "true" fans for me then Rolling Eyes


Those who import the manga or DVDS
Those who know Japanese (I do not)
Those who buy the DVDS if released uncut in their country
Those who know the main character of a series attack names
Those who despise the crap Viz throw on bookshelves
Those who import the games
Those who import the merchendise
Those who buy the English merchendise if released correctly.
Those who watch the series subbed or raw
Those who respect the author of the manga and the staff of the anime by not buying/watching/reading edited and westernized versions of their works.


Let's see...respect the author by STEALING his work. Yep. True fan.

I import from a Japanese bookstore in Ma. How that's stealing from the author is a mystery that only Fred,Shaggy,Velma,Daphne and Scooby could figure out.

Gee, I figured buying the licensed version, thus putting some change in his pocket would be more appreciated.

And spitting in his face by hacking with his art. Remember that "issue" with Dragonball?

Every copyright blurb I've read states something to the effect it is expressly forbidden to copy, etc the material without the WRITTEN permission of the copyright holder, so unless the people posting raws & fansubs have received such permission, they are breaking the copyright law & most assuredly not respecting the rights of the creator since s/he is doing this for a living (ie to make a buck) so if there is an agreement in place to sell the title in your country, you should be buying said version out of respect toi the author.

When the dvd comes out I buy it.

Bleach has 121 episodes that have aired in Japan

29 Have aired in America

12 have been released on dvd

Do the math....

And I bought the dubbed version to support the title in the hope someone would see there is such support for the title & maybe give us the uncut version eventually.

Kahn doesn't release uncut stuff..

A true fan doesn't need a list of who is & isn't a true fan.

I was asked to make a list by the guy with the Calvin and Hobbs avatar..

A true fan doesn't really have to worry about who is or isn't a true fan. The fair weather/fad fans will always come & go, but if you like the thing, you like it.
The fair weather fans are useful in making the title popular enough for others to see it/discover it, making more fans eventually meaning there's less chance for the title to be dropped/canceled.


"Fad fan"? I watched Batman the animated series when I was a kid and when I grew up I bought all the boxsets and movies and like it even more now.
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Naru2099



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:05 pm Reply with quote
SaveOnePiece wrote:
fighterholic wrote:
I third Kouji, your logic is not logic at all, and will be sure to offend certain people already. Your definition of a true fan is contradictory to say the least, and not even catering to what benefits the author, producers of the anime, and the fans and consumers that make the whole system work.


How many anime dvds do you own

I have like 300 or so

What are your 2 fave anime

Bleach and Eyeshield 21

Next anime dvds you plan to get

Bleach 4
Naruto OVA and boxset 3
Bobobobobobobo 2
The Prince of Tennis boxset 1
Eureka 7 6 special version
Mai Hime 4-7
The rest of Tenchi in Tokyo and the Mihoshi Special
Hikaru No Go 1
Catch up on Detective Conan
FMP TSR final dvd
The Lupin dvd I need
Crayon Shin Chan
Thinking 'bout Black Cat

What about you?


Who cares how many DVDs you own or what you plan to buy? That doesn't really matter to me and I'm sure a lot of other. If your an anime fan, that's good and I'm glad you support the industry, but not everyone is like you. Because I can't go out and buy everything I want means I'm not a fan? I always keep an open mind to other people, especially Naruto fans *shiver*, but you are a real test of patience. Thankfully, if this is what I expected when I go to conventions, I'd probably would have strayed away from anime. And just to say, not every Jump franchise is a good franchise. There's pleanty of anime that's good away from Jump, and I feel it's a disgrace that you would turn away an anime because of that fact.
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SaveOnePiece



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:07 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
SaveOnePiece wrote:
fighterholic wrote:
I third Kouji, your logic is not logic at all, and will be sure to offend certain people already. Your definition of a true fan is contradictory to say the least, and not even catering to what benefits the author, producers of the anime, and the fans and consumers that make the whole system work.


It's kinda like saying that your Calvin and Hobbs avatar is taking money from the author....


No,
The Calvin & Hobbs icon is free advertising & thus tolerated because it's a small thing.

If he made a website selling icons, then it's be an issue. Yes, he has taken an image & copied it without permission, but the author is less likely to worry since it's expressing his fan-appreciation of Calvin & Hobbs. Like sports memorabilia. The fan who makes a home-made flag using the symbol of
his/her favorite team is tolerated for whowing his fan enthusiasm at the game, but if that fan makes a bunch & sells them, someone's going to take notice.


Since when did youtube start charging to watch stuff?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:12 pm Reply with quote
Naru2099 wrote:
SaveOnePiece wrote:
fighterholic wrote:
I third Kouji, your logic is not logic at all, and will be sure to offend certain people already. Your definition of a true fan is contradictory to say the least, and not even catering to what benefits the author, producers of the anime, and the fans and consumers that make the whole system work.


How many anime dvds do you own

I have like 300 or so

What are your 2 fave anime

Bleach and Eyeshield 21

Next anime dvds you plan to get

Bleach 4
Naruto OVA and boxset 3
Bobobobobobobo 2
The Prince of Tennis boxset 1
Eureka 7 6 special version
Mai Hime 4-7
The rest of Tenchi in Tokyo and the Mihoshi Special
Hikaru No Go 1
Catch up on Detective Conan
FMP TSR final dvd
The Lupin dvd I need
Crayon Shin Chan
Thinking 'bout Black Cat

What about you?


Who cares how many DVDs you own or what you plan to buy?
Since I "steal from the authors" I was stating my point..

That doesn't really matter to me and I'm sure a lot of other. If your an anime fan, that's good and I'm glad you support the industry, but not everyone is like you.

Thus the reason why I don't really talk to anime fans

Because I can't go out and buy everything I want means I'm not a fan? I always keep an open mind to other people, especially Naruto fans *shiver*, but you are a real test of patience. Thankfully, if this is what I expected when I go to conventions, I'd probably would have strayed away from anime.
And just to say, not every Jump franchise is a good franchise.

When did I say they are?

There's pleanty of anime that's good away from Jump, and I feel it's a disgrace that you would turn away an anime because of that fact.


I am a fan of many non Jump Series.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:17 pm Reply with quote
SaveOnePiece wrote:
Why do anime fans always think I'm arrogant?


Saying that all "fans" have to be like you (which is basically what you said in a nutshell save the understanding Japanese part) is pretty arrogant. I wouldn't say it's necessarily wrong though as there's different levels of "fandom" but to say that those who aren't as dedicated as you or don't watch/read anime the same way as you aren't "fans" is pretty arrogant. I import video games/anime/manga/artbooks/etc. but I wouldn't say those who don't are not fans and that they have to be like me to be one. If you don't find what your say as arrogant, you really need to open your mind and consider what other people would see as arrogant, then maybe you won't be as surprised when people call you it (which technically no one ever actually called you, although it was implied).
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theoriginalbilis





PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:20 pm Reply with quote
Wow... can't we just try to at least be happy that One Piece's future is looking brighter now in the US, instead of engaging in immature fandom bickering?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:25 pm Reply with quote
I was going to quote you, but then I noticed you inserted stuff inside my quote making it all way too consufing.

Just use cut & past like I do to break the quotes up. Don't add to people's stuff.

fansubs & YouTube are well-known illegal routes to obtain anime. Just because YOU didn't post it, you are watching stolen material. Even if the person who posts the ep bought the dvd, he does not have permission to post it on the net. I have people on my caseload convicted of POSSESSING stolen property, with orders not to be in possession of any other stolen material nor even are they to ride in a stolen car. In fact in California at least, it's not Grand Theft Auto, it's some ungainly phrasing about taking a vehicle without the owner's permission.

If you're buying the Japanese product (& not the bootlegs) , but don't speak Japanese, how are you understanding them without going to illegal sources such as fansubs? A personal friend (no, not a fansub group) translating?

I wasn't calling you a fair-weather fan. I was pointing out most of us who love a show are more tolerant of the fad fans since they bring increased revenue to the title. I always want my fav bands/authors. etc to make all the money they can so they'll make more for me to buy.

You DO know the author is usually consulted aboiut changes & is usually ok with whatever the licensing company does, don't you?

And I know 4Kids doesn't release uncut.
But I'm patient. Since Viz was involved, I hoped maybe down the road, a year or 2, we'd get them

And we did, didn't we?

You know what?
Bottom line, when I told my 16-yr old, she was in heaven & we've been joking about basking in the One Piece Glow all weekend.

People at this site seem to be a bit more negative than other sites I frequent. They applauded Bobobo being pulled off CN, though I was suspicious CN never replayed eps of Bobobo as they do all their other titles. When the dvds came out dubtitled, I wrote the company & encouraged other to do so & we're getting that fixed. And when all this came down with 4Kids messing up One Piece again, I bought the cut dvds & watched the show to show my support of the title in the hopes it would make a diff & it appears to have considering CN's statement if someone landed the license, they'd air it. It's almost like they were fishiing, whether to help Toei get someone to pick it up, or to help Funi convince Toei they could still get One Piece on the air even if it wasn't a major (non-cable/Big 3) channel. And why would CN be interested in a loser title? The ratings had to be decent enough even for the dub for them to express their interest in continuing to air the title. They're not doing this because they're also big OP fans--they're looking for ratings.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:27 pm Reply with quote
SaveOnePiece wrote:
Since when did youtube start charging to watch stuff?

Since when did you get that idea? Your fandom and trying to shove it down our throats isn't helping at all, because we all seem to have different aspects of fandom here. Then when you're trying to say things like don't buy the edited DVDs made by 4kids, but it's okay to watch the fansubs (looked down upon here, especially by admin), it really isn't making any sense.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:47 pm Reply with quote
By SaveOnePiece's definition of a true fan... I am not a true fan... you should really fix your deification of a true fan... I don't buy a bunch of things from Japan (even though I have resources where I live) and I get the books and DVDs free as my mom works for Viz. There are many ways for there to be true fans... for example I'm a fanfic writer... on fanfiction.net I'm considered one of the biggest One Piece fans out there... I've written many One Piece stories and is one of the characters of Revenge (a humorous story where the Straw Hats find out about fanfics and decide to take revenge on the fanfic authors for writing the horrible stories...) I may not buy all the imports but I am a true fan by my destination and I go by my definition: a person who loves something an devotes themselves in some way wheat er it be buying imports or making fan art and fanfics... that is what a true fan is...
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By the power of Greyskull, this thread has spiraled further in to the retarded zone than I could ever possibly conceive!

Remember, kids, it's not about how much you have, it's what you do to make things right. I don't have 300 Anime DVDs, but if I had have kept all of my DVDs thenyes, sure, I'd have 300 (close to 1000), but I realised it's more than simply having things- it's wanting to own things that counts.

If the TV versions does not appeal to you, that's fine. Do not watch them, stick to your DVDs, or whatever else, but don't jump down people's throats and subsequently, don't be an overzealous tosspot because you think you're fandoms special little golden child who can dictate what is right and what isn't.

Now, the DVD release works for me. I'm not going to watch it on TV, partially because I just don't watch Anime on TV, but also because I won't be able to watch it from episode one in a much less retarded format unless I watch it on DVD. K-F's fansubs do nothing for me, because as accurate as they can be, their subtitles are so horrendously obnoxious that I can't bother with them.

Quote:
Since when did youtube start charging to watch stuff?


This can relate back to Fansubs. While you can get people saying "Well, I watched it here, I'm going to support stuff buy things etc butts!", you're also running the risk of people simply sticking with Youtube/whatever because it's free. That, and it's distribution (youtube does make a profit via ads/clickthrus I think, how else do they stay afloat with all of their bandwidth?) on something that does not have permission, uploaded by people who dont have permission with more than likely unauthorised copies of said media, which in all cases IS piracy and therefore, it doesn't HAVE to be tolerated.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:03 pm Reply with quote
Emma Iveli wrote:
I've written many One Piece stories and is one of the characters of Revenge (a humorous story where the Straw Hats find out about fanfics and decide to take revenge on the fanfic authors for writing the horrible stories...)


That has got to be the most true thing I've ever heard. And as much as I despise fanfics, that might be something I'll have to take my time and read about. (Hope there's much emphasis on yaoi fanfic writers -_-)

And I don't believe about people being negative on this site. I just think it's some who have their own ideals and try to spread them.
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