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CCSYueh
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I'd gamble it was more the studio pitching the idea which seems to be the way it works here in the US. No one told Josh Whedon to make Buffy--he pitched his idea to whoever-movie studio, tv studio. There have been times when the makers of a show has gone much further than the studio expected & the show is censored. I know the style with yaoi seems the manga zine-BeXBoy, whoever, is often involved. I know we saw several Hana Kimi cds & now there's a live action series made. As I understand Gravitation was floated first as a drama cd off the manga (& we see lots of drama cds made-check out CD Japan's listings), then they did the OVA, then the series. At any point if the animators went Gravitation Remix on it, I bet the tv station would have said "No, thank you". Scared of Zak. Crossed over to the Sith? |
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Ryllharu
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Funny that you mention this, considering it's the main moral lesson constantly voiced by the reportedly "infamous pedophile teacher." It's repeated often in the series. This is exactly why the series is gaining such an infamous reputation. People hear about the absurd situation, voice a huge complaint about it, while ignoring all the other material presented. It's tunnel vision. To fully argue one position or the other, one needs to know their opposition's stance better than their own in order to refute it. I won't deny that there is objectionable material in Kodomo no Jikan. It may even cross the border at points. But it isn't some doujin of 200 pages of non-stop child porn. Serious issues (such as the over sexualization of young girls) yes, the same thing we see in America thanks to oversexed pop music idols, is addressed. Everyone is free to find Kodomo no Jikan offensive, but make sure you know where what you find offensive appears in context before you complain. If not, you're no better than someone blindly complaining through a pre-written letter about a re-broadcasted episode. In any case, it won't matter. There's no such thing as bad press. This will only raise Kodomo no Jikan's infamy, and drive its dvd sales through the roof. |
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scottjam65
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Yes, I'm into Lolicon.
I read the first few translated versions of Kojika after downloading them and I have no problem with the series. Why? Because I see it as what it is - a comedy. No. I don't read it because I get turned on by the female characters - I've actually seen better. I read it and I would watch it because it is a COMEDY, first and foremost. I do not know if the content or the subject caused it to be pulled. In fact, I noticed no one here jumping up and down screaming about the opening from Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei, which features two schoolgirls crotch-to-crotch, if only for a split second, as well as scenes of bondage. I guess that's okay, even if (by American standards) they would be underage. (That's a comedy, too, by the way, and a damn funny one!) Just trying to better understand the human condition, is all. |
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AnimeRonin
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I guess they haven't heard of the saying, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder." Replace heart with "desire to watch it even more" and you'll get what I mean.
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Case
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"Basically" ranting? "Basically" complain? If you really believe that, you basically can't see the forest for the trees. If you still don't "get me", it's because you're actively reinterpreting my arguments into comfortable "basically x" statements instead of trying to see the issue from my point of view. In the case of this story, I definitely think this says something about the Japanese media today, which I think I illustrated well in the last post. Cherry-picking the Nymphet story from all the others and claiming that it _deserved_ its censorship - due to subjective disapproval of that specific content - is complete ignorance. It's not news. It's more like advocacy or lobbying. Or reviewing. |
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Craeyst Raygal
 Posts: 1383 Location: In the garage, beneath a 1970 MGB GT. |
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Oh for crap's sake Case. Here's the cycle I've been seeing.
- A (moe/lolicon) anime or manga gets in the news. - The generally divided fanbase voices their opinion. - Zac expresses his dislike of (moe/lolicon). - Case expresses his belief that because Zac dislikes (moe/lolicon) all of ANN is against it. - Zac reminds Case of that great writer's clause "The opinions and beliefs expressed within do not necessarily reflect those of blahblahblah". - Case refuses to believe this and continues on his tirade. - Zac gets frustrated and tells Case off - Case storms off until (moe/lolicon) is in the news again It's ridiculous. I mean, Case do you know how much crap Zac's given me over the years for being a Tenchi fanboy? Behind the title, the education, the profession, and the years of experience, Zac is still a fan with fan's opinions. Why not let it be? It's just plain ridiculous. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Considering the fact that you rarely talk about anything on this forum except this issue - if there's an article about anything remotely related to moe or a review of a moe show, you're guaranteed to derail the thread with your "ANN BIAS" thing - I don't see how your argument could possibly be explained any more. Don't assume that because I don't agree that means I'm wrong or I'm too stupid to understand your argument. It's impossible to argue with you without you insinuating that everyone who disagrees is a moron who doesn't "get it" when in fact your argument is very simple and people just don't agree with your conclusions.
Cherry picking the Nymphet story? It's news. We also reported on the other cancellations/pre-empts and the ax murder story. We also reported on the Death Note thing in Belgium. So our news is biased now because we even reported on this in the first place? NOWHERE in that news story does it suggest that Nymphet "deserved" its cancellation. Opinions on the forum are not the same thing as the news and simply reporting the damn news is not a sign of bias. What you're arguing is basically like saying "CNN reported on Michael Vick's dogfighting, they're biased against him!!". That's one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. The sad thing about this is that you yourself are so ludicrously biased toward moe that you're actually willing to make that argument in the first place. |
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Case
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This is the case because the environment is such that I don't feel comfortable discussing my own viewing habits in these forums anymore. Everyone is too hostile. I can go to almost any other anime site to talk about what I'm currently watching and not worry about being told that what I enjoy is garbage.
Fair enough. But there _is_ a difference between my opinion for and your opinion against: I am not exclusionary. I want to give people a genuine picture of their options. Even having developed a healthy cynicism of GAR, you'd never see me campaign against Black Lagoon because it legitimizes lawlessness and gun violence, and could even provoke real-life murder. (Seriously consider that idea and compare it to what's been said of Nymphet.) |
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Unholy_Nny
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I still don't know what the hell that means... See it all over the place, but I'm always like "wut?" when I see it. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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This is the standard "If you're against this one thing, you have to also be against everything else ever made" argument, and it's pretty tired. It's OK that I have a problem with the content in Nymphet. It's OK that I speak out against it. It's OK that I draw the line there. It's OK for me to like action shows and not also like or condone shows that sexualize depictions of children. I can say "Black Lagoon is action-packed fun for adults" and then say "Kodomo no Jikan opens with an 8-year old licking ice cream off the side of a cone in closeup while the other two 8-year olds squeal and say "that's perverted" and frankly uh that's pretty sick and wrong and I kinda wish this crap wouldn't sneak into anime because it's creepy and makes us look bad". There's no hypocrisy there. That's drawing a line, having standards. Most people have them. And for all your "I'm not exclusionary!" rhetoric, 99 percent of what you say is railing against anyone who dares question the value of moe or lolicon anime. You're not enlightened and neutral, you have an agenda and you come here to push it. |
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Jkid
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You know what's even worse? Mie Television hasn't decided which show they're going to replace itwith. What are they're going to show? Dead Air?
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NightOption
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Also, this cancellation might pique the interests of otaku who follow the progress of the show, but the lack of a television broadcast will reduce its exposure to the general public. One of the most significant purposes of creating anime adaptations is to act as a promotion for the manga its based on, for people who don't really know about the manga.
Anyway, its silly to think that the DVDs would sell better because the show was canceled. If this were true, a lot more shows would be "canceled" for the purpose of boosting sales. |
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Case
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I have no "agenda", and as I've said before I object to you treating me as an examplar. I am an anime fan whose tastes have changed since I joined this site. Until you can accept that there are real people who feel that way, and that they're not just idiots whose opinions don't count, you're going to keep hearing about this from somebody. The "standards" you refer so enthusiastically in your post are ethics. They are not technical standards like a camera's shutter speed. Ethics are all shades of gray and one person's ethical failing looked at another way is another person's ethical success; hence pro-life and pro-choice. (Not "pro-abortion.") You have a strong ethical stance on pedophilia. Very well. But it's not a technical standard; not an absolute defense. Freedom of expression and thought are also admirable ethics to pursue. Through your ethical lens, Black Lagoon may be irrelevant, but through someone else's free speech lense it is totally not. How can you expect your point of view to even be taken seriously, when your espoused views don't attempt to take anyone else into account? You call my opinions in this matter "rhetoric". This is the very spirit of the anti-moe environment on this site, and my frustration with that is what keeps me coming back to threads like this, not some mysterious "agenda". Last edited by Case on Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:15 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Shuichi
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According to Canned Dogs, Kodomo no Jikan was already censored for broadcast (at least for Saitama).
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KyuuA4
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Are you not aware of the general clamp down towards Pedophiliac activity? Something like this would certainly not be favored by such. |
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