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| DmonHiro Posts: 394 |
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| If Bokurano is moe.....I'm gonna and................beat up all the wrestlers on tv by myself.
Bokurano is not moe. It's total CRAP, but it's not moe. Jesus (Yamato), and the manga is so good. Damn that director.....damn him to......HFIL. Gonzo has been slipping lately......go read Rosario + Vampire.....then go watch the anime by Gonzo......see what I mean? |
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halo SubscriberPosts: 269 |
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And just because they actually put some thought and effort into making it a halfway decent and entertaining show doesn't mean it's not moe. You still have a few high school girls in unrealistically revealing spacesuits, which is far more covering than Matsuri's little jungle outfit. And it's the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) and they even had one of their real astronauts make a cameo in the anime. |
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jvowles Posts: 154 Location: Maryland |
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| Do people here forget that sometimes companies will attach conditions such as "If you want show X, you must also license shows Y and Z"? If you can recoup your losses from a failed show by forcing it onto someone who's trying to license a winner.... | ||||||
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Shiroi HaneSubscriber Posts: 1744 Location: Wales |
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| All the recent unlicensed GDH shows that FUNi hadn't previously nobbled have also been removed in the last few days at their own request, also including Real Bout High School which was licensed to Tokyopop but I assume has new expired. | ||||||
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Furudanuki Posts: 1004 |
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Those "unrealistically revealing spacesuits"... http://web.mit.edu/ As they point out in the anime, the concept of a flexible skin-tight spacesuit has been around for decades and the science behind it is quite sound. The suits in Rocket Girls are more form-fitting than the real item as it currently exists, but they are not nearly as exaggerated as many might think. Besides, "girls in revealing outfits" does not equate to "moe" - that falls into the category of "fanservice". |
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| tempest ANN Editor in Chief  Posts: 7058 Location: Montreal |
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Fan-service involving young girls isn't called moe, it's called lolli. While the two often do, disturbingly, go together, they aren't the same. Moe is about caring for the girl, lolli is about sexualizing her. Moe by the way can involve adult women, not just children, but lolli is only about children (or adults that look/act like children). A good example of a series that is quite moe, yet doesn't involve any lollicon whatsoever (not saying a person with a lollita complex wouldn't be attracted to the show, just saying that the show doesn't pander to them)in Gunslinger Girls. Yotsuba&! is also very moe, but not lolli at all. Don't get me wrong, producers/directors do often capitalize on the cross over between these two themes/genres and there is a significant amount of moe out there that is lolli. And as I said above, even the most innocent moe can still appeal to a person who has a lollita complex, but in those cases the connection is made by the consumer, not the producers/creators. I made another post on the subject a 'while' back here. Although the "moe genre" doesn't interest me much, I don't have any problems with "pure moe" that doesn't attempt to make underage characters sexually attractive to adult readers. -t |
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Ryusui Posts: 287 |
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| No love for Romeo x Juliet? Seriously...I loved Gankutsuou, and I've been starting to give up hope that anybody will license this.
On a side note, anyone who takes issue with other Gonzo adaptations...I feel your pain. I couldn't get through more than one volume of Chrono Crusade: they nerfed the story, setting and even the big showdown between Chrono and Lerajie so horribly, it actually hurt to watch. Let this be a lesson to us all: the only thing Gonzo should be allowed to "adapt" is classic literature.  |
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| haloSubscriber Posts: 269 |
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| Hmmm... I always thought moe was more about cute characters who fit into certain archetypes to cater to the fans of those particular archetypes, like the tsundare, wild girl and bookwork girls in Rocket Girls. At the very least it seems as if that's how the term is currently being used in Japan. Of course the American definition is probably a little different and varies from fan to fan. It is slang and not a part of standard vocabulary and usually slang's usage varies.
I'm not saying it's bad. Personally I like the level of moe in the show. They don't overly sexualize the girls who are old enough I don't feel like killing myself for enjoying the fanservice, though maybe a little guilty. It does have some other good sci-fi trappings and likable characters. And Bokurano... it's not how it was butchered or not. I don't think they did that bad of a job really. It's really just the fact that the middle part of the story is soooooo repetitive it puts Hell Girl to shame. You know whats coming and most of the time they don't even try to disguise it. Did they really have to spend an episode on each kid? That's what killed it for me. |
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Moomintroll Posts: 1007 Location: Nottingham (UK) |
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Some people evidently disagree with regard to the paedo-pandering in Gunslinger Girls:
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Mohawk52 Posts: 3857 Location: Celebrating Lindsey Hawker murder suspect arrest, in Basingstoke, UK. |
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| wandering-dreamer Posts: 357 |
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I don't think it's soon enough to give up hope yet (I don't think it's been out for even a full year yet) but dang, I was hoping this meant that FUNimation was licensing Romeo x Juliet. Seems a bit strange though that they only asked for the removal of a few anime... |
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| Tyrenol Posts: 349 Location: Northern California |
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| Here's the problem with moe: People who work on shows utilizing cute girls tend to forget things like, say, PLOT and CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
With "Rocket Girls," the Japanese government using cute girls to spread their views is nothing new. (I also found the 801 T.T.S. Airbats OVA pure garbage.) And I liked "Romeo X Juliet" better... When it was GLASS FLEET. 
Finally, I didn't like the way SHAFT messed up the Negima series. I thought the Xebec version of Negima was better, no matter what anybody (including Ken Akamatsu) says. |
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| chiyocities Posts: 2 |
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So wait a minute... you're saying shows like Air or Kanon are poorly written and devoid of any sort of strong character interaction? |
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tygerchickchibi Posts: 795 |
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| Just a quick question, but...
Why all the Gonzo hate... and if people are whining about it so more, why are they even bothering to watch fansubs? Just curious... |
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| DmonHiro Posts: 394 |
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| sola, is a moe show. If you claim that sola has no plot and no character development....you must replace the capitan of your brain ship, because he's drunk at the wheel (I appologise to the scrubs cast) | ||||||
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