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Big Hed
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Wow, I completely missed the fact that Shueisha and A.P.P.P. are planning to remove the the building scenery in future editions. In light of that I agree with what you've said, Richard J.. The decision to remove the presence of text extracts from the Qu'ran I can understand, but buildings that resemble mosques? Please. Christian churches have been used as the site of ficticious conflicts more times that can be counted, in the past. |
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mrsatan
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Yes, I agree. Some more information to consider: Muslims murdered Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of [url=The Satanic Verses]The Satanic Verses[/url]. Because of this, Japanese publishers are scared to death of any Muslim complaints and will bend over backwards to appease them. Go Nagai's manga "Allah-kun" has been out of print for years because of similar protests. |
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evalover1987
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Abdul, one of the main characters in Part 3, was Muslim and a GOOD GUY who sacrificed his life to save his friend. I think catholics should be more offended than Muslims since Part 6 of Jojo is about fighting against an evil catholic priest who's trying to eff up the world, and guess what? the priest holds the Bible in his hands throughout the part 6 of Jojo.
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boznia
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Like some of the previous comments, I think replacing the Qur'an text makes sense, but the removal of mosques is too much. According to the letter, the Qur'an text didn't have a purpose other than to reinforce that the scene is taking place in the "Arabic world", so another Arabic text could have been used to convey the same meaning. On the other hand, I don't agree on the removal of mosques. If you want to illustrate a small town in New England, you can expect to see a church with a high pointed spire. In that same vein, if you want to illustrate a town in the "Arabic world", you can expect to see a mosque.
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mrsatan
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Yes. IIRC, Hirohiko Araki went to Egypt to get the Middle Eastern setting look correctly. Those mosques probaly really exist. |
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Tomibiki
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It's just mad dogging censorship, which is the worst kind, can't stand that nonsense. |
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Dargonxtc
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Wow, this is the stupidest thing I have heard all week. Can you imagine all the changes if all Japanese manga and anime that depict Christian's in a less than favorable light.
Let's see what the basic inversion is:
Because we all know that there aren't any terrorists that read the Qur'an(القرآن). They just don't do things like that. And certainly none of them are Muslim(موسليم).
Hell while we're at it, let's just say that no Christian's are terrorists, all Jews are Saints, and that Buddhist's never commit crimes.
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Sadly, I've known a few people who do believe that.
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JohnathanEnder
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You know what I've learned from all this? We need more Muslim characters in manga.
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Avatar of Justice
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You know, Dio's a vampire. Maybe the poor guy wanted to read a religious text, but the Christian Bible simply burned his hands too much.
It's really stupid to expect entirely different culture to respect yours enough to not do something to offend you. Last edited by Avatar of Justice on Thu May 22, 2008 4:14 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Zerreth
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That's just adding fuel to the flame |
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JohnathanEnder
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Nah. See, I'm a Muslim and an Anime Fan -- you know, for those of you who haven't been reading this forum.
As I stated before, Muslim characters are fine, it's just that writers need to write them as characters first and Muslims second, so to speak. It works with every ethnicity/religion. Everyone gets offended by media stereotypes. And whenever there are black/Jewish/Chinese/martian characters in comics, they always have to pander to the lowest common denominator (the black man adds "yo" to everything, the Jew is counting change, the Chinese is eating noodles, and the martian has antennae). Not only is that offensive it's also kinda...boring. |
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The Xenos
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This is total bullcrap. This isn't about Islam. This is about religious fundamentalists taking things out of context and getting on a high horse. This is dumber than the 'Christians' who complain about Harry Potter.
First, Dio isn't Muslim as far as I know. He was in Cairo, an Islamic city. He picks up a book and it is the Koran. He might even have broken into a mosque or the house of a devout Muslim. He's a villian. He does that. Can you imagine some villain holding a Bible or the Torah and Christians and Jews complaining about it? C'mon. This professor is giving his people a bad name. Actually, Abdoul, one of the good guys is likely Muslim as he's from that area, Cairo. Double checking, his name is Mohammed Avdol. So, one of the good guys of the book is clearly Muslim! And this small group of idiots are complaining about one scene out of context. They're simply wrong in their assumption and totally miss one of the best friends of the hero is Muslim. The professor, from Cairo himself, ignores that a Muslim character from Cairo is one of the heroes of the same book. Instead he takes a scene out of context to serve his own goal of looking persecuted. I understand how he can be oversensitive. Hell, I just heard a report about Iraq and the press is name dropping the blanket term 'terrorist'. Go after that crap and leave this superhero comic book alone. Go after media like 24 instead of this innocuous reference. People who complain about this stuff are looking for attention in an attempt to look persecuted. Another possibility, more so on the Harry Potter thing, their faith isn't strong enough to take other points of view and mythology. Hell, I'm Christian. If I started complaining about every Christian symbol and character used wrongly in anime and manga, half my selves would be empty. Chrono Crusade, Trigun, Hellsing, Evangelion, Berserk, Death Note, Cross. How many of these toss around Christian symbols without half a clue what they mean? Maybe Japan has a problem respecting or simply understanding religions, but I think the bigger problem is these religions being offended. Instead of trying to teach things proper, they call for censorship or banning books. They are way too easy to offend and prefer a close minded approach. Yes, the Japanese can be xenophobic dicks. Yet the response should not be becoming even bigger xenophobic dicks. And it's not like every Musilm or ever Christian agrees on this stuff anyway. Be very careful when someone pops out of the woodwork and start talking for an entire faith. As a Christian, for example, Pat Roberson does not speak for me. I find his views to be very UN-Christian, no matter what he calls himself. Actually, we already had some crap like this with Full Metal Alchemist. Viz became spineless and censored a scene in fear of offending conservative Christians. You know, just ignore characters are named after the seven deadly sins. I don't think any are still reading up to Vol 8 (where the edit of a cross looking rock occurred). Why do we allow ourselves to be bullied by fear of offending people? I'm sick of it. Hey. This is your faith. Don't bully it onto other people. Live your faith and show people the good of it. Don't use it to oppress the speech of others. Not testing your faith with things that you find offensive is a sure sign of your own weak faith. Last edited by The Xenos on Thu May 22, 2008 5:11 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Monsieur Pink
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That kind of sums up my feeling, I'm strongly against blatant racism and such, but this is a joke. When will people stop taking this kind of shit, I mean what's wrong with depicting a fictional bad guy reading (while vowing to kill) Qur'an or the bible or anything, hell they're ain't anything wrong with a fictional character masturbating over the Qur'an while reciting his "My Mein Kampf" if you ask me (well, as long as the author ain't saying to do this, but you get what I mean). Ok, I need to calm down, but I had enough with those kind of accommodations for today (well, it's all rage right now in Québec with those kind of issues, we're losing our identity because of few angry members of minorities and we ain't even fighting back, pitiful). |
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Mad_Scientist
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Actually, while I haven't read it myself, a couple of people have commented that ironically enough, one of the characters in JoJo's is a Muslim, and he's a good guy. EDIT: One more thing:
Yah, I always thought that particular edit pretty hilarious, because it seems like anybody likely to be offended by the cross would almost certainly have stopped reading the manga long before getting to that point. FMA has a fair amount of anti-religious tones to parts of it (though not as much as the anime), so censoring that cross was nothing. But unfortunately, there are actually a lot of manga edits done in the US, and a good chunk of them don't really make any sense, at least to me. Last edited by Mad_Scientist on Thu May 22, 2008 5:24 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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