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Hey, Answerman: The Confessional

Is there any source for the claim that going over-budget or running out of budget forced the lower animation quality of episodes 21-26? I know you can respond "Of course! Look at it!" but the co-director said that "the production schedule was a mess", and I've thought that that, more than budget problems, was the reason. I have never seen any reliable citation for the budget claim, and a rushed production schedule would certainly explain it entirely.

Ryllharu wrote:

Is there any source for the claim that going over-budget or running out of budget forced the lower animation quality of episodes 21-26? I know you can respond "Of course! Look at it!" but the co-director said that "the production schedule was a mess", and I've thought that that, more than budget problems, was the reason. I have never seen any reliable citation for the budget claim, and a rushed production schedule would certainly explain it entirely.

Eva's increasingly violent content in later episodes got criticized since it was unusually intense in violence for its early evening time slot at the time of its original broadcast. TV Tokyo, the original TV broadcaster of Eva, forced Sega, Eva's main sponsor at the time of production, to make budget cuts to the series due to the violent content thus the increasingly lower quality of animation in later episodes.

Mohawk52 wrote:

TMoHS = Over hyped soft-core loli-moe fodder.

Once again, I severely doubt you've actually seen the series.

ohstalon06 wrote:

mohawk52 wrote: Kodomo no Jikan = Over hyped soft-core loli-moe fodder. Fixed, if any of the characters in Haruhi are loli, I need to double check my eyes.

Please make an appointment with your ophthalmologist immediately.

Ryomanagare wrote:

TheVok wrote: Yeah, these ones weren't confessions either: Quote: Drew Bouncer: "I hate Sharon Apple. I hate her looks. I hate her songs. I hate her fan base. I hate everything about her." None of these opinions is in any way surprising, ironic, unusual, self-effacing or self-deprecating. They're sometimes somewhat clever, but clever does not a confession make. You don't know who Sharon Apple is do you?

Yup. Watched Macross Plus way back in late 1997 and early 1998.

I don't have to eat an entire full course to know I don't like the taste.

If you think Kodomo no Jikan is soft core, it would seem you do need to check your eyes. Either that, or you have been looking at far too many really raunchy, rude, and strongly vulgar titles, and they have severely skewed your border line of disgust.

Mohawk52 wrote:

I don't have to eat an entire full course to know I don't like the taste.

It's not a question of you liking it or not. It's a question of you knowing enough about it to back up your suspiciously troll-like statement.

Mohawk52 wrote:

If you think Kodomo no Jikan is soft core, it would seem you do need to check your eyes. Either that, or you have been looking at far too many really raunchy, rude, and strongly vulgar titles, and they have severely skewed your border line of disgust.

It's not a question of being disgusted or not - KnJ is the very definition of softcore.

Ryllharu wrote:

Is there any source for the claim that going over-budget or running out of budget forced the lower animation quality of episodes 21-26? I know you can respond "Of course! Look at it!" but the co-director said that "the production schedule was a mess", and I've thought that that, more than budget problems, was the reason. I have never seen any reliable citation for the budget claim, and a rushed production schedule would certainly explain it entirely.

Eva's increasingly violent content in later episodes got criticized since it was unusually intense in violence for its early evening time slot at the time of its original broadcast. TV Tokyo, the original TV broadcaster of Eva, forced Sega, Eva's main sponsor at the time of production, to make budget cuts to the series due to the violent content thus the increasingly lower quality of animation in later episodes.

Veoryn87 wrote:

Haruhi is fun and entertaining. Perhaps one of the most fun and visually appealing shows I've seen. Fun to watch situations and plenty of OMG moments that made it memorable (I also liked that "first" episode). Do I care if it's not the second coming of Christ? No. I just like it for what it is. It certainly isn't a masterpiece, but it does what it's trying to do very, very well.

This pretty much speaks for me as well. I like the series, I don't consider it the be-all end-all, but it's very well done for what it is, and fun to watch.

Ramadahl wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote: I don't have to eat an entire full course to know I don't like the taste. It's not a question of you liking it or not. It's a question of you knowing enough about it to back up your suspiciously troll-like statement.

A concept not unknown to you it seems.

Ramadahl wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote: If you think Kodomo no Jikan is soft core, it would seem you do need to check your eyes. Either that, or you have been looking at far too many really raunchy, rude, and strongly vulgar titles, and they have severely skewed your border line of disgust. It's not a question of being disgusted or not - KnJ is the very definition of softcore.

That in itself is questionable, and very much opinionated by one's level of acceptability.

Ggultra2764 wrote:

Ryllharu wrote: Is there any source for the claim that going over-budget or running out of budget forced the lower animation quality of episodes 21-26? I know you can respond "Of course! Look at it!" but the co-director said that "the production schedule was a mess", and I've thought that that, more than budget problems, was the reason. I have never seen any reliable citation for the budget claim, and a rushed production schedule would certainly explain it entirely. Eva's increasingly violent content in later episodes got criticized since it was unusually intense in violence for its early evening time slot at the time of its original broadcast. TV Tokyo, the original TV broadcaster of Eva, forced Sega, Eva's main sponsor at the time of production, to make budget cuts to the series due to the violent content thus the increasingly lower quality of animation in later episodes.

I didn't write that (thanks for quoting me instead of Xenofan 29A!), but like ikillchicken I'd like to see a source on that if you've got one. Most series that have animation suffer towards the end of the series anyway from either time constraints or simply being overbudget from poor planning or spending too much on previous episodes. GAINAX was always notorious for running over budget and running out of time.

From what I remember, Hideaki Anno wasn't sure how he wanted to end the series and they were forced to rush out the final two episodes because they were too close to the broadcast deadline.

How about condescending?

Dorcas_Aurelia wrote:

sabriyahm wrote: silver_omicron wrote: I'm about to go out on a limb. Chances are, if you hate Melancholy, you loathe Evangelion. And if you hate these two, I can imagine a few more Anime fall into your category of 'despicable'. /sigh Loathe Evangelion. Love Haruhi. The two are not at all similar so I wonder why you would think this. I'm assuming your logic was that people hate anything popular. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think I might give the answer fan topic a shot this week. Doesn't look like a lot of people are going to go with the Masterpiece opinion so I might actually have a shot. They original comment was: If A, then B. You responded that like Haruhi (Not A), but dislike Eva (B). It doesn't inherently disprove the statement. Besides, I believe the point that silver_omicron was getting at was lots of people hate shows just because they're popular. (There's also a not quite similar situation of a show not living up to the hype).

The point, exactly.

For me, Haruhi and Evangelion both accomplish a level of story telling that is unprecedented. They effectively communicate, otherwise, vague ideas over a complex yet, perhaps overly, strange plot but despite these abnormalities, the story plots remain interesting, intriguing, and moving. And kudos, furthermore, to the symbolism used in Evangelion.

I think what irks people about shows like Eva or Haruhi is that the common fan appreciates it. No longer is anime niche with shows like the above. Everyone can appreciate it. Suddenly, i'm not defined by Great Anime A: Everyone likes that anime, why should I?!

Thus, a conundrum. Still, I think they are excellent shows for this reason. They've reached almost unrivaled popularity. It's an excellent, non-formulaic story that people can, at least, recognize and say "Oh, that's Evangelion."

Hate it or love it, that's artistic and commercial success.