Forum - View topicNEWS: Live-Action Ghost in the Shell Film Earns US$41.3 Million Overseas in 2nd Weekend
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Lord Dcast
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Well I just got back from the film and personally I think it's good in its own way. I've only actually seen the original and this remake (no Stand Alone Complex and no Manga) so I can't speak for them, but between these two they have their strengths and weaknesses. I'd say they're both worth four stars.
Honestly, I don't think people should judge this film without seeing it. All this talk about boycotting a film is getting ridiculous. |
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ReifuTD
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I never got people's issues with white washing thing, Anime character design tend to be pretty white washed or racially ambivalent anyway. And in a society with such a Euro/Asian mix and you give someone a full robot body and that design is decided by some company's committee, Dude they are going to make that robot body white 
At least it American movies seem to handle race better then Japanese movies and actually try when they have too. Have you seen the Fullmetal Alchemist trailer? Japanese movies don't try. |
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Lord Dcast
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Even then, there's a way that sort of fixes the whitewashing issue in the movie, but I won't explain it here. Too spoilery for even a spoiler tag. |
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CrimsonDX
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My whole issue is purely with it being live action. I don't really care about the whole whitewashing thing.
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ReifuTD
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That's sad  , Live action movies that try to do that would be easier do to in animation and does it well tend to be a considered a film bigger achievement then it would be if the film was animated. There a reason why movies like Bladerunner and Matrix is so loved. Then you have the marvel Superhero movies what have been visional amazing lately. Live action is harder and more expensive to make and control then CGI and animation. On just the amount of piratical effects they put in the GitS live action movie alone make it a master piece.
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Fallenmessiahx
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I think the movie will break even or make a small profit when all is said and done after its theatre release and bluray sales. I enjoyed the movie but it was not as good as it could have been. I have noticed that a lof of scripts seems like first drafts. There are nuggets of gold in them but they needed to make more passes to make the script better. (The Ghostbusters remake had the same issue.)
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omegaproxy
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I want to see this again. Really loved everything about this film, and want to see more of it!!!.
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neph909
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im glad it bomb'd. what did people think they were gonna get with that director? snow white and the huntsman, you knew it was gonna be trash. at least i did. and i hope they never even think of doing it again, unless they bring A+ talent. and as far as whitewashing, good... let scarjo eat it. and everyone else should just count themselves lucky they didn't get the offer, cause it would have just been more proof as to why to whitewash. #keepanimeanimated
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Mr. sickVisionz
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The movie might actually do OK when it's all said and done and overseas markets are taken into account. Underworld and Resident Evil never made $500M at the box office yet there's like 10 or so of them with theatrical releases.
I will say that at this point, maybe the need to pull a Godfather and give this to a Japanese-American director, JA writer, and JA actors and see if they can capture the magic that these adaptions always seem to lack when you remove the Japanese element from staff and cast. |
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HeeroTX
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This statement is insulting to anyone who is a professional animator and EXACTLY why I agree with CrimsonDX. Both are different forms of artistry, but I'm sick of western audiences being so dismissive of the animated medium. It's also a flat out RIDICULOUS view point to have considering how much stuff is "computer animated" nowadays. It's not a "bigger achievement" to have Chris Hemsworth and Chris Evans jumping around in front of a green screen and then building computer models around them rather than painstakingly animating ALL the characters and environment by hand. |
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Dracospirit121
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Wonder if its going to do a Pacific Rim and do well international, even if domestically its nothing to shout about?
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#838774
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The director actually seemed to put a lot of thought into many elements of the film universe and had lots of little love letters to the various versions of the story sprinkled throughout. Would it have been better with a more experienced director? Probably. However, it's clear that Rupert Sanders did not casually undertake this and some scenes are very well done. It's the script that made this fall apart. The reason it bombed is due to insufficient marketing and a very niche property with the worst timing humanly possible for a theater release competing against much better known and anticipated titles. Even if the script had been amazing, word of mouth recommendations would probably not save the numbers here. Also, people with this attitude should be ashamed. Enjoy the animated version if you like, but don't try to gatekeep your favorite stories by suggesting they can only work in an animated format. |
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Lord Dcast
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I think it also bombed due to the dual boycotts. On one side you've got people claiming whitewashing when she's a robot to begin with, and on the other you've got butthurt anime fans of the original who've seen the track record of live action adaptations and won't give it a chance, which is bonkers. Voting with your wallet's all good if everyone else has confirmed it's bad, but this isn't bad. At the worst it's decent, and at best some who don't have nostalgia for the original might even prefer it.
To be honest, I only just watched the original a couple of weeks ago and it's very flawed. Maybe some people are blinded by nostalgia, but whilst I think it's a great film overall it's not the pinnacle of animation people make it out to be. It's nuanced and brilliantly directed, but stuff like the pacing and the way they introduce the mystery in a very 'matter of fact' way is something to take note of. I can't speak for the manga or Stand Alone Complex as I haven't read the former and have only seen three episodes of the latter years ago, but I don't think Ghost in the Shell is as untouchable as Akira or the Miyazaki movies. I think it's important to provide new takes on the franchise as the world evolves, and the new film is a good entry. Just don't judge the film without seeing it. At least give it a chance. You may like it, you may not. I can't say for certain with this film as it's a 50/50 chance. |
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AiddonValentine
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And it still can't catch a break. The movie is dead, it should never have been made in the first place. And there's really no point to standing up for this. Even putting aside the whitewashing, the cultural appropriation, and the tone deaf damage control, it's just a bad movie. Best to just move on.
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Lord Dcast
Posts: 644 Location: 'Straiya |
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Have you actually seen it, because I beg to differ. |
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