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INTEREST: Ashita no Joe Manga Creator, JCA Ask Fans to Avoid Pirate Sites


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ultimatehaki



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:55 pm Reply with quote
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pacorro



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:07 pm Reply with quote
ultimatehaki wrote:
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GoldCrusader



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:12 pm Reply with quote
I mean if you actually enjoy a series and yet you pirate it, you are more then just dumb. You are a plague. Of course it's going to cause harm. For young authors it must be terrifying.

Of course, said title has to be legally available.
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SHD



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:27 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, pretty sure that it's not piracy causing the 12% drop in sales. Physical manga sales have been dropping for a good while now, and while sure, domestic piracy exists, most of those pirate sites target non-Japanese people, most of whom wouldn't buy the physical manga anyway due to availability reasons.

Also, this is just an idea, but maybe... just maybe...
1) publishers embraced digital formats, and embraced them better, releasing more manga and magazines in digital format, with better picture quality (looking at you, Amazon) and streamlined, user-friendly reader software instead of the clunky, unwieldy monsters we have now that look like they escaped here from in the '90s;
2) digital manga wasn't DRM'd to death in proprietary formats and software, meaning that if a digital publisher goes down you lose everything you bought from them;
3) digital manga had better PR and had the same (or similar, anyway) extras the physical releases have;
then perhaps more people would be inclined to buy manga instead of just reading the series in the magazine they're published in and then not bothering to buy the book releases. Also people getting into new series would be more inclined to buy them instead of just renting the physical copies or buying them used for cheap. And maybe, just maybe, more foreigners would buy more manga if they didn't have to pay inorbitant shipping fees (or wait for potentially months) just to be able to read something... or if the digital version wasn't region locked.

It's kind of like say, drama extras for CDs. Currently I'm into certain idol franchises that release drama tracks with vocal CDs... which are, apparently, only available on the physical release. You can't get them digitally. And sorry, but I don't have the money or the storage space to pay two times the price of a CD to have it shipped to the other side of the planet, just so I can rip it and never look at it again. (Hell, my next laptop won't even have a CD drive.)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:30 pm Reply with quote
Considering Ashita No Joe has never been released in my country and I can't read Japanese, I'm gonna have to say no to this request. Make easily accessible and less people will pirate it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:39 pm Reply with quote
to be honest, what caught my interest was knowing that the dude is still alive Laughing .
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:54 pm Reply with quote
I wonder the manga-ka's thoughts that this classic manga's copyright in both the U.S. and Japan will each exceed 100 years (more specifically, 120+ years).
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ZeroCha0s



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:55 pm Reply with quote
Whenever a manga I was reading illegally online got announced licensed in English, I would try to buy it not just because I've been wanting it in my shelf and in my hands but to support the mangaka(s). I can understand some mangaka not supporting it but for some of us English or even different language readers it may be hard to support the mangaka if the book isn't even been localized yet or ever in general. Sure you can still support them off of Amazon Japan but I'm sure some people want to read the manga in whatever language they normally prefer and speak with.
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dark_bozu



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:29 pm Reply with quote
"Please don't read manga on pirate sites"
"Okay, but could you suggest a legal app or site that content all published manga and charging reasonable prices?"
"No."
"..."
Maybe AnJ manga creator should be more concerned about the lack of such convient application/site instead of blaming piracy?
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:34 pm Reply with quote
dark_bozu wrote:
"Please don't read manga on pirate sites"
"Okay, but could you suggest a legal app or site that content all published manga and charging reasonable prices?"
"No."
"..."
Maybe AnJ manga creator should be more concerned about the lack of such convient application/site instead of blaming piracy?


He's talking about the Japanese market, not foreigners. There's plenty of legal options in Japan. He doesn't care what foreigners do.

-Stuart Smith
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dark_bozu



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
dark_bozu wrote:
"Please don't read manga on pirate sites"
"Okay, but could you suggest a legal app or site that content all published manga and charging reasonable prices?"
"No."
"..."
Maybe AnJ manga creator should be more concerned about the lack of such convient application/site instead of blaming piracy?


He's talking about the Japanese market, not foreigners. There's plenty of legal options in Japan. He doesn't care what foreigners do.

-Stuart Smith

Valid point.
Is piracy that bad in Japan?
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Lord Geo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:18 pm Reply with quote
dark_bozu wrote:

Is piracy that bad in Japan?


Where do you think the "raws" for any currently-serialized manga that get scanlations come from? It's not non-Japanese people that are getting a hold of new issues of Shonen Jump literally days before they officially go on sale, scanning the pages, & then making them available online for people to then download & make scanlations from, that's for sure.

I'm not saying that Japan's piracy problem is exactly the same as it is here in North America, I think it's easy to say that, if Japan didn't have a notable piracy problem, then the scanlation scene wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today.
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louis6578



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:59 pm Reply with quote
I'm touched. You know what, Mr. Mangaka! I'll go purchase your manga and anime legally on Rightstuf! Be right back!

...

Um... then on Amazon!

Um... in bits and pieces, for very pricey sums...

OKAY! Crunchyroll! My dearest, most reliable bet!

...

Okay! So this has season 2 but not season one for some reason. Weird. Um... looks like I have no legal option to watch your first season. Neutral May I please pirate this ONE, non-legally available piece of media? Nope? Okay, whatever then.
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GoldCrusader



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:03 pm Reply with quote
louis6578 wrote:
I'm touched. You know what, Mr. Mangaka! I'll go purchase your manga and anime legally on Rightstuf! Be right back!

...

Um... then on Amazon!

Um... in bits and pieces, for very pricey sums...

OKAY! Crunchyroll! My dearest, most reliable bet!

...

Okay! So this has season 2 but not season one for some reason. Weird. Um... looks like I have no legal option to watch your first season. Neutral May I please pirate this ONE, non-legally available piece of media? Nope? Okay, whatever then.

I mean it's obvious he's talking about the Japanese market. There should be no availability problems there.
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SHD



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Lord Geo wrote:
dark_bozu wrote:

Is piracy that bad in Japan?


Where do you think the "raws" for any currently-serialized manga that get scanlations come from? It's not non-Japanese people that are getting a hold of new issues of Shonen Jump literally days before they officially go on sale, scanning the pages, & then making them available online for people to then download & make scanlations from, that's for sure.

I'm not saying that Japan's piracy problem is exactly the same as it is here in North America, I think it's easy to say that, if Japan didn't have a notable piracy problem, then the scanlation scene wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today.

Actually, Japan's domestic manga piracy problem is not all that bad, at least from what I can see. Obviously this is anecdata, but in my experience most people don't really care about that sort of stuff, it's on the level of, say, ebook piracy. It exists, but the overwhelming majority of people are just happily buying books with their Kindle/whatever. As I said above, yes, domestic manga piracy exists but most pirated manga consumers are foreigners. (On that note, do you honestly think that most currently-serialized manga that get translated are translated from Japanese? Nope, Chinese - more often than not. Just like how back in the day a lot of fansubs were translated from Chinese subs.)

What most people don't know, or don't know enough about, is the existence of digitally published manga. A lot of Japanese people I've talked to had no idea it was a thing that existed, and the rest was like "yeah I guess but I never looked into it". Instead of buying digital releases a lot of people who follow manga in magazines just skip buying the book releases, figuring that they've already read the story in the magazine so why spend (increasing amounts of) money on something they'll have to get rid of eventually when they run out of space.
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