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Tachibana
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If that was Jamieson Price's decision to walk away from that role, then I won't criticize him, but doing it because he's white and not voicing the character who part Mexican and Japanese makes no sense. Ichigo, Rukia, Uryu are Japanese, so should VIZ cast a Japanese person who can speak English to voice them since the current va are not Japanese? This whole woke culture and not offending different cultures or not voicing a non-white character when you are white is silly.
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Sirsumsrince
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oh god this is all so very silly, It's hard to even put into words. the guys 1/4 mexican so he needs a latin american va? but all the asian characters are allowed to be voiced by whoever because they're not people of color?
I actually do agree that it's a good idea to bring more diverse talent to the forefront in voice acting but with anime dubs its all very silly. The strange erasure of asian people in the argument about diversity in voice acting really irritates me like with the samurai jack guy who was at the forefront of it all a while back. |
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Kenfra
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Talent shouldn't need colour as a determining factor. Period. And to begin with, they're all Asians. So you're telling me all the non Asians should do the same? Geez. Though it was a personal decision, so I guess there isn't a lot to say.
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flamemasterelan
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Yeah, I can't believe Jamieson Price attacked Johnny Yong Bosch and the rest of the cast of Bleach for taking this job. What a P.O.S. ...Wait. He didn't do that? You're just putting words into his mouth?
He is an accomplished actor. He decided that he could lose this one role that he believes should go to a minority instead of himself. That's not "woke culture." It's one guy recognizing that there are a lot of black and brown actors out there who are struggling to get roles in the industry and that he doesn't have to take up that slot. |
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coates32
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I don't have a problem with Jamieson Price no longer voicing Chad. However, his reasoning for doing so incredibly stupid and deserves criticism. This whole nonsense about the voice actor needing to match the race of the character is stupid can lead to some serious problem. For an example, I didn't care that Kim Cambell wasn't Asian, I just thought she was great voicing Nagatoro.
I really wish this bizarre tread of wanting voice actors to match the race of the character just end already. It's just so stupid. |
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ZelosZoidberg
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Hmm it seems Sankaku is leaking on to ANN.
If the original VO is ok with it I'm ok with it too. I'd personally would rather be "woke" then "dead". |
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Kadmos1
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A definitive case of a non-White person voicing a White character is James Earl Jones and Vader.
JP's right to do that, sure. However, if we apply this logic, all non-White VAs should stop voicing all White characters. Just because many of the voice acting roles goes to White VA, going Shounen Jump Weekly or similar and doing this now is lazy. White and non-White characters can and should be voiced by White and non-White VA or at least given the chance to audition. |
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Nonaka Machine Gun B
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I respect the actor's decision even if I don't necessarily agree. It's nice to know he was approached at least.
I kind of can't believe they waited so long to formally announce the dub was coming(sleuths had found the Hulu press release). I was thinking Viz was going to announce just about every returning role in the same vein as the huge Japanese cast listing, but I guess that was huge wishful thinking. As of right now, unconfirmed character voices for episode 1 are: Akon Mayuri Zennosuke Ryunosuke (new) Shino (new) Ikkaku Yumichika Yamamoto Sasakibe Ebern (new) Luuders (new) Yhwach spoiler[(new..?)] |
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Kadmos1
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Voice acting is arguably the most versatile type of acting because one can play roles that would otherwise be Whitewashing, Blackwashing, Asian-washing, Hispanic-washing, straigh-washing, LGBT-washing, etc. on-stage/on-camera. |
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Ultimate N
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Personally while I respect Price's intention I have to disagree with this decision. I do understand the reasoning tho. Admittedly given the fact Chad was already played by a different person prior to Price him being recast again is a little easier, however considering he played Chad for 280 episodes plus all the movies that starred him it's pretty clear that to many fans he became the definitive voice of the character.
I also will acknowledge that while Chad is primarily Japanese his Mexican decent is what's most upfront to the point all of his attacks are Spanish so as much as I want to to say his race isn't integral to his character (and I would argue that to a point) I can't deny it's relevant to his aesthetic, so a Hispanic actor does make sense. However, the reason I ultimately disagree with this decision is that I just do not believe actors taking other actors' roles is the solution to casting discrimination. Alain Mesa is most likely a good actor (I am not aware of any of their work that I have seen but I'm willing to believe it) and I think he should've been cast in a new role for Blood War, there're dozens of new characters introduced in this arc and some returning characters that will likely have to be recast due to potential retirements. Alain should've been cast in any of the new roles because now instead of being a popular up and coming new actor he will now be that guy who poached a popular character's role from another actor who'd defined the role for a decade because he's the same race. I know many won't look at it that way, but plenty will and all of it is unnecessary and could've been avoided. I do not wish to start conflict but I firmly believe had Jameson Price returned for the character there would've been less arguing about it now than there is currently. Jameson Price did a noble thing but I firmly believe he is upsetting more people who waited 8 years for him to come back than the people who wished Chad had been played by a Hispanic actor in spite of likely dealing with it for 366 episodes. |
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Rob19ny
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It's his choice to return or not, but his logic for doing so doesn't even make sense. How are you going audition for a character that you already got the role to since episode 86? You are returning to your role of voicing a legacy character. He's not a new character. Those are two different things. He said no to something that did not make sense in this situation.
Episode 86 is the Bount Arc. Arrancar doesn't start until 110. 86 to 110 is a huge gap. That's 2 cours. That's not roughly. That's the middle of the Bount Arc. |
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Los Nido
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Asians are generally not considered POCs anymore in America so there's not much of a stigma for Asian characters to be played by non-Asian actors. People also generally use the term BIPOC now to specify non-white passing minorities. |
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Ultimate N
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While not untrue, this "one role" is arguably one of his biggest and longest standing ones. He might not have initially voiced Chad but he did for more than half of the franchise and by the end of the anime he had cemented himself as THE voice of the character. Disappointing all the fans who were waiting 8 years for him to return is arguably still worse than this. The only people this really positively affects objectively are any aspiring Hispanic voice actors, anybody else really should not have cared in my opinion because that's all this casting really says. Sure it's good that aspiring Hispanic voice actors know they can get work, but does that really outweigh the sadness longtime Bleach fans will have to go through now after again waiting 8 years for something that could've happened and should've happened but now won't for a miniscule reason? |
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FeelMyBlade
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That's not what the goal is though. This is not about matching actor ethnicities to characters. It's purely about there being less white actors in the industry because there's too many of them. It has nothing to do with accuracy, it's just about creating more roles for non-white actors. So that will mean Japanese anime characters will be played by non-white and non-Asian actors without any controversy. Kimberley Campbell voicing Nagatoro is good because it's a black actor getting a role. The ethnicity of the character doesn't matter since it's not about casting a Japanese actor for a Japanese character. It's only about lessening the white dominance of the industry. |
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flamemasterelan
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@Ultimate N
According to Behind The Voice Actors, this is his fourth most notable role, with only 7% of the total votes going towards Sado. Also, most of the fans who have waited eight years probably won't even notice the VA change, and likely won't be as disappointed as you're stating. VA's change all the time, and voices change a lot within eight years. Like you just said, he's now one of three actors who played Sado, and will not be voicing him in yet another arc that he's probably going to be irrelevant for. Last edited by flamemasterelan on Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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